I laugh at the 3k price tag that I am hearing for the scarlet as much as I laugh when I hear the Red One is only 17k.

try building it to a proper usable camera and that 3k becomes10k. The Red one becomes 40k EASILY.

Not to say they dont produce a gorgeous image. I'm just not too fond of their marketing where they break it down like it's a subway sandwhich.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I really like the EX1 - great looking image and of course there are those workarounds but all in all it's the end product that matters and nobody (except us) will care what cam, what editing system or what lens you used. In fact most people wont even (consciously) even notice the dof we labored to obtain.

I have to say that I was quiet worried as well when I heard that the EX3 will come out already now (but in the end available in summer), especially because I got my EX1 only last week.

I read all the different articles that exist so far (thanks to you guys) and posts in this forum and am normally very concerned on "upgrades" that might be interesting for me:
To have a significant better camera which produces even better images, which has even better low-light qualities or a different, better codec, different frame rates or whatever. Which is even more sexy with a blond wig on it.
But this is not the case. I just ordered a cheap but good (according to Philip Bloom) shoulder-mount and interchangeable lenses are not a big deal for my purposes. TC and other studio features are not important for me either. The new VF seems to be nice but the LCD on the EX1 is terrific, too. Just ordered a hood for it for shooting in very bright sunlight.

The only thing I am a bit jealous at is the frame rate wheel, which is actually really useful but am still hoping that it will be possible to assign buttons on a future firmware update for the EX1, I really hope that Sony will do so, maybe as well to calm down some unhappy EX1 users.

So the EX3 is nice and seems to be more ergonomic, but to have spent approx. 2000 € less for the cam and being able to work with the EX1 NOW which produces exactly the same images makes it not too hard for me to have another EX-family member in the lineup.

Spotted Philip Bloom on the strip last night. Click to enlarge.

If i had the 1/2" lens adaptor I would not have used the Letus Extreme. I would have showed what difference a long lens makes, but i didnt so i saw no point in just using the stock lens as it's identical to the EX1 so I shot with my Extreme which I use all the time

I perform nightly and am booked up till August 2008

LOL!
Dang Phil, you're a star man!

Phil are you doing the show with Cher? My wife and I are going to Vegas in May so we'll get tix for sure.

Sorry, that show is sold out. You gotta book months in advance.

No we fell out. I said she she was older than my gran so we parted ways. I am now performing with Elton John. I am his wig.

Now that's what I call a match made in heaven.

Check yer email Phil!

talking about prices, it's amazing that the UK price is actually around the same if not cheaper than the US price. The EX1 was WAY cheaper in the states than in the UK

I just looked out my hotel window, it seems like its "Sold Out" Looks like Kew Gardens is now playing @ Caesars Palace! Check out the pic again

And the EX1 is even way cheaper in the UK then in The Netherlands/Belgium!
It's just 6500 euros here! Glad we'll buy it in the UK for 4800 euros (calculated from pounds).

That is finally good news for us Europeans.

Ex3
 

I received my EX-1 last week and I paid 5,825 € in Spain.

Incidentally, the version of the firmware is 1.05_0405 and has no problem backfocus
Or vignetted.

Greetings.

Guys I think that U.S price of $13,000.00 is wrong.

I actually think it is going to be around $9,000.00. This is based on the ratio of what the Ex1 costs in the US and the UK. I used this difference ratio to calculate the price of the EX3. I don't know if this is right or not but I think they may have made the usual mistake of just using the conversion rate which never works for cameras. It makes sense that the same pricing ratio would apply across the board for all the SONY gear. Clearly this camera is to compete with the Canon XL-H1

I was just about to type this... I've worked in the US and the real world :) and the cameras and extras are almost always cheaper in the US. I'm always getting request from friends back in OZ to price or send various accessories and so forth...

Keep in mind Sony will announce a list price that will likely be much higher than the eventual street price. I wonder how a USA event has pegged price for Europe but not USA. It makes no sense that Sony would do that. Is someone getting these numbers wrong, just conjecturing, entirely missed USA pricing?

The one bit that I can guess at is that the street price of the EX1 dropped to about 20% below Sony's list in the USA. Something like $6449 vs $7899 list.

How and where is Sony claiming a Europe price but not a USA price? Is there a Sony press release on that or an eye witness that Sony gave a EU only price at a Las Vegas USA event?

I've seen some posts that say an "unofficial" just under $13,000 USA. That would mean about $10,500 USA street.

The Sony press release I got said...

"The new XDCAM EX products are expected to be available in the third quarter of 2008. Pricing is as follows.

* PMW-EX3 – suggested list price less than $13,000
* PMW-EX30 – suggested list price less than $6,000
* PHU-60K – pricing to be announced"

That's where that $13,000 figure is coming from.

Now when the Ex-1 was announced, Sony said it would be "Less than" $8,000. As Craig pointed out, it's $6449 now. So take from that what you will.

I just saw a press release and it indeed says the Sony PMW-EX3 will list for less than $13,000 which probably means about $10,500 street should be close.

Theodore must have spotted the release the same time I did.

Great minds think alike. :)

That's strange Steve, cause when saw that sign it looked like this...
http://thomann.net/hv20/Philip_Vegas

that's fake! She is a brunette!!!

Actually it's the first glimpse of the new EX5. The cat's out of the bag.

no the ex5 is a blonde

Evf
 

One thing that really caught my eye on the EX3 was the flip-up viewfinder. Seems like that could work for the EX1 as well. Has anyone heard of any plans to make that available as an accessory for the EX1?

I stopped off at hoodman and suggested they would make a killing if they just made a slip on variant for the Sony EX3 eyepiece to use with the Ex-1. They're going to check it out. Expect it in Summer is my prediction - I'll autograph the first 50.

Lenny Levy

i just don't think the ex1 lcd is sturdy enough, and I know the ex3 one has a special coating to make it work better with the viewfinder

I think it could work if it incorporated a support between the lcd and someplace on the handle, or maybe the vertical piece that connects the handle to the body. A second connecting point would make the lcd rigid.

An autographed one sounds good to me Leonard-

I Talked to a Sony Rep At NAB said the price for the PHU-60K hard disc would be around $1000

That can't be right.

$900 for a 16gb card but only $1000 for a 60gb hard drive?????

I'm guessing the PHU-60k will retail for a similar, but slightly higher price to the HVRHD60 which is $2k+. So perhaps $2500???

Phil,
I went by the Zacuto booth earlier today and was greatly disappointed I missed both you and Hien. I had to catch a plane home. If you're ever in San Francisco let me buy you drink.

At Hoodman they showed me a little magnifier they make for an SLR LCD. It was very light though smaller than what you would need for an EX-1. I'm hoping itb would work. Doesn't seem like it would need to be very heavy. Of course you wouldn't have the nice viewfinder controls on the other side of the LCD like you do on the EX-3.

- Lenny Levy

sorry Lenny

Not been to the show since Monday. Been sightseeing and filming. If i had known you were there i would have popped by

Phil

Prices of flash memory are much higher then prices of hard disk pace...

Hi Lenny,

I've been using a handheld games magnifier along with a Hoodman 400 attached to my Z1's flip-out LCD for a couple of years - it works great!
Something similar to this... http://www.darkplanets.co.uk/psp/psp...rightener.asp?
It provides a much better viewing angle and is easier on the eye when holding it close to a 'shoulder-mount' position (ie, with the LCD only a few inches from your eyes). I'm sure it would work just as well on an EX1.

Although the EX3 LCD/VF attachment is obviously a more refined, engineered take on this solution, it does not allow you to fold-away the LCD for storage (as is possible with my Z1/magnifier). This just leaves me wondering if some revised ergonomics and a removable lens is actually enough of an incentive for me to fork out all that extra $$$.

I 've still got a few months to sleep on it though.

Cheers,
Dave.

Interesting, Dave. Would you care to affix a photo on this device with your camera setup?

Hi Piotr,

No problem, I've taken some quick snaps and attached below...

The first shows the H400 and magnifier alone to demonstrate the good size match. The second shows them attached to my Z1 LCD, with the last pic showing the view through the magnifier. There is a small amount of edge distortion noticeable in this shot (and some CA, it was only £5 remember!) but it really is easier on the naked eye than my DSLR skills can demonstrate. You can clearly make out the visible resolution of the LCD and with a finer resolution LCD (ala EX1) I expect this configuration would provide even better results.

Although these photos probably don't do much to show the true optical benefit of the attachment. Put simply, it has the effect of enlarging the LCD screen while also pushing back the perceived distance (it changes the focal plane for your eyes) - turning the 2.5" LCD into more like a 4~5" one. You obviously just need to keep it clean from dust and scratches (enemies to us all!).

My original posting about this (a few years old!) is here...

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...269#post298269



Thanks,
Dave.

H400 /w magnifier (£5)
 

(bump) Pics now attached in previous message.

Thanks for posting picks of your mod. From your pictures, the LCD looks great for framing. What are your opinions on judging focus? Is it easier with the magnifier? Do you find less of a need to use the Expanded Focus function?

I wish Sony would replace that menu wheel with a flat joystick-type controller as found on a Nikon DSLR. Also, I would really like to see an expanded focus function that would allow you to move a box, which defines the area of interest, around the screen. Checkout the Nikon D3 for an excellent focusing function.