EX1 or

Buck Forester · January 23rd, 2009, 09:24 PM

I would doubt that Sony will have a newer version of the EX1 so soon, especially since there's nothing on the market in the price range that can touch it. For those needing these high-def specs (min 1/2" chips), nothing else comes close to this resolution in this target market. I think Sony put a lot into this puppy and they need it on the market longer. But I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. They might need to answer the Scarlet when it eventually comes out. Panosonic's recent offerings, although great for their target market, just don't compete with the specs/resolution yet and they don't appear to be aggressively going that direction with their latest stuff. My opinion only.

Keith Moreau · January 23rd, 2009, 10:51 PM

I evaluated a Panasonic HMC150 but it isn't in the same class as the EX1 from an image quality and pro feel. I actually liked the weight, balance and ergonomics of the HMC150 but the wretched AVCHD workflow (at least on a Mac) made it a big hard drive hog and more time consuming to ingest and edit than HDV tape.

If your a PC / Windows user maybe Vegas works with AVCHD well but on the Mac right now it's a loser for pro work if you shoot a lot of footage.

The JVC EXCam, if the image quality is good, is a great companion to the EX1 but I have doubts it would equal or surpass it quality wise, however I'm still very excited about that camcorder. However the EX1 is over 1 year old now, they may come up with an update to it that may address some of the annoyances that we all put up with. Right now the EX1 is in a unique sweet spot of price and features, the EX3 maybe more so because of the lens options.

John Vincent · January 27th, 2009, 09:38 AM

There's something else - the EX-1, with its 1/2" chip, out to have a DOF much closer to 35 mm film than a 1/4" chip set.

Personally, I hate 35 mm adapters and want a cam that already is close to "film" DOF.

john

Craig Terott · January 27th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hayes

that JVC may be an EX killer with the same low light chips and no cmos issues to deal
with.

You are deluding yourself. NO WAY a camera with 1/4" chips is going to kill the camera with 1/2" chips.

Ted OMalley · January 27th, 2009, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Terott

You are deluding yourself. NO WAY a camera with 1/4" chips is going to kill the camera with 1/2" chips.

Maybe they're thinking that it's not the size, but how you use them.

Scott Hayes · January 27th, 2009, 04:44 PM

I didnt realize it had .25" chips until i read a few more posts, ugh, what a waste.
why couldnt jvc put the SDHC capability into the GY series they already have?

Craig Seeman · January 27th, 2009, 07:51 PM

JVC HM cameras will complement Sony EX series nicely. The don't compete so much as offer a broader range of options all using the EX codec.

HM100 1/4" CCD
HM700 1/3" CCD and shoulder mount (although the picture was pulled).

You'll now have the option of a smaller hand held or shoulder mount camera (assuming the HM700 ends up looking like the picture) in addition smaller CCD chips or larger CMOS chips. JVC fills the holes Sony left open. Personally I think their partnership is really going to put the squeeze on Panasonic. We'll see what Sony does on the higher end to compete with Panasonic.

Please do read the thread that was linked to on the discussion. JVC and Sony are in alliance to have the EX codec take a lead over AVC IMHO.

January 23rd, 2009, 09:24 PM	#16
Buck Forester Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 230	I would doubt that Sony will have a newer version of the EX1 so soon, especially since there's nothing on the market in the price range that can touch it. For those needing these high-def specs (min 1/2" chips), nothing else comes close to this resolution in this target market. I think Sony put a lot into this puppy and they need it on the market longer. But I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. They might need to answer the Scarlet when it eventually comes out. Panosonic's recent offerings, although great for their target market, just don't compete with the specs/resolution yet and they don't appear to be aggressively going that direction with their latest stuff. My opinion only.

January 23rd, 2009, 10:51 PM	#17
Keith Moreau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane, California Posts: 530	I evaluated a Panasonic HMC150 but it isn't in the same class as the EX1 from an image quality and pro feel. I actually liked the weight, balance and ergonomics of the HMC150 but the wretched AVCHD workflow (at least on a Mac) made it a big hard drive hog and more time consuming to ingest and edit than HDV tape. If your a PC / Windows user maybe Vegas works with AVCHD well but on the Mac right now it's a loser for pro work if you shoot a lot of footage. The JVC EXCam, if the image quality is good, is a great companion to the EX1 but I have doubts it would equal or surpass it quality wise, however I'm still very excited about that camcorder. However the EX1 is over 1 year old now, they may come up with an update to it that may address some of the annoyances that we all put up with. Right now the EX1 is in a unique sweet spot of price and features, the EX3 maybe more so because of the lens options.

January 27th, 2009, 09:38 AM	#18
John Vincent Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,065	There's something else - the EX-1, with its 1/2" chip, out to have a DOF much closer to 35 mm film than a 1/4" chip set. Personally, I hate 35 mm adapters and want a cam that already is close to "film" DOF. john

January 27th, 2009, 04:44 PM	#21
Scott Hayes Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 692	I didnt realize it had .25" chips until i read a few more posts, ugh, what a waste. why couldnt jvc put the SDHC capability into the GY series they already have?

January 27th, 2009, 07:51 PM	#22
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	JVC HM cameras will complement Sony EX series nicely. The don't compete so much as offer a broader range of options all using the EX codec. HM100 1/4" CCD HM700 1/3" CCD and shoulder mount (although the picture was pulled). You'll now have the option of a smaller hand held or shoulder mount camera (assuming the HM700 ends up looking like the picture) in addition smaller CCD chips or larger CMOS chips. JVC fills the holes Sony left open. Personally I think their partnership is really going to put the squeeze on Panasonic. We'll see what Sony does on the higher end to compete with Panasonic. Please do read the thread that was linked to on the discussion. JVC and Sony are in alliance to have the EX codec take a lead over AVC IMHO.