need help: Ex and shooting PAL at DVinfo.net

William Griffin · June 3rd, 2009, 04:28 PM

I just had a call from a client in NYC and he is a producer for German TV (Pro Seiben)....and his questions to me was " can you shoot PAL on your Ex3"....and I told him "Ya-vol" yes....

But I want to shoot on the SDHC cards, so he can keep them and forward them on to Germany...so the question is:

Can the EX3 output PAL to the SDHC card? and can I play them back on my Sony Vaio laptop using clip browser 2.5, even if its a NTSC powered laptop?

Please help....

thanks.....

Tuy Le · June 3rd, 2009, 05:34 PM

I don't have EX3. But I just checked the manual - set the video format to PAL.
NTSC should be 60i, 30P, 24P 60P and PAL should be 50i, 25P, 50P.
However you will need to ask them what format do they want before you shoot.

William Griffin · June 3rd, 2009, 05:47 PM

the format is XDCAM PAL.....I want to know if the SDHC card will record that.

Craig Seeman · June 3rd, 2009, 05:55 PM

I think we have a few score PAL SDHC users.
The makers of MxR are in Australia after all (PAL country).

CPU shouldn't make a difference. Just make sure to setup your NLE for PAL.

Bob Grant · June 3rd, 2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Griffin

the format is XDCAM PAL.....I want to know if the SDHC card will record that.

YES.

The data rate is the same for PAL or NTSC.

Tuy Le · June 3rd, 2009, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Griffin

the format is XDCAM PAL.....I want to know if the SDHC card will record that.

Video Format: 1920x1080/50i or ??? XDCAM PAL is just a general term.
You should try your camera before go out for shooting :-)
As Bob posted, It will record on SDHC card - I was recording PAL on a previous NTSC recorded (and I can watch both on the viewfinder (on my EX1).

William Griffin · June 3rd, 2009, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuy Le

Video Format: 1920x1080/50i or ??? XDCAM PAL is just a general term.
You should try your camera before go out for shooting :-)
As Bob posted, It will record on SDHC card - I was recording PAL on a previous NTSC recorded (and I can watch both on the viewfinder (on my EX1).

I know what PAL is and the settings...as I am a little lost on all of your post.

David Issko · June 3rd, 2009, 08:25 PM

Although you can set the camera's scanning rate to PAL or NTSC areas, the camera does not shoot in standard definition. You could, however, take a live uncompressed SDSDI feed from the camera to an SDSDI recorder such as Convergent Designs upcoming nanoflash. I'm not sure that SDSDI will be available in the initial deliveries though.

You DO NOT, I repeat, you do not want to take a composite or s-video output from the EX3 as the quality is RUBBISH! It is only good for very basic monitoring. I have tried using them.

The EX3 will record in HD only.

Hope this helps

William Griffin · June 3rd, 2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Issko

Although you can set the camera's scanning rate to PAL or NTSC areas, the camera does not shoot in standard definition. You could, however, take a live uncompressed SDSDI feed from the camera to an SDSDI recorder such as Convergent Designs upcoming nanoflash. I'm not sure that SDSDI will be available in the initial deliveries though.

You DO NOT, I repeat, you do not want to take a composite or s-video output from the EX3 as the quality is RUBBISH! It is only good for very basic monitoring. I have tried using them.

The EX3 will record in HD only.

Hope this helps

I know it records in HD only...that is what the client wants....

William Griffin · June 3rd, 2009, 10:46 PM

Am I missing something here or is my question misleading...some of the post "are way off" and don't make sense ....please re -read my first post, please.

Bob Jackson · June 3rd, 2009, 11:09 PM

<Can the EX3 output PAL to the SDHC card? and can I play them back on my Sony Vaio laptop using clip browser 2.5, even if its a NTSC powered laptop?>
The card will be whatever format Pal or NTSC you use.
No such thing as an NTSC powered laptop.
pal or NTSC or secan refer to TV set standards only.

Gerry Curtis · June 4th, 2009, 01:01 AM

The EX-3 doesn't record PAL, it only records in HD, you should clarify what the prospective client format-wise. 25/50 frame per second HD frame rates isn't the same as PAL even though those terms are loosely interchanged.

Cheers,
Gerry

Paul Newman · June 4th, 2009, 01:39 AM

What an irritable selection of reply's:

Yes your EX3 will record to the SDHC card in any selectable camera format.

Set your camera to 1080 50i HQ mode and shoot.

Yes, the files will play on any Laptop, in any country, using Sony Clip Browser.

Send the SDHC cards to Germany, I'm sure they will be very happy.

Paul.

Bob Grant · June 4th, 2009, 02:24 AM

Some of the replies might be irritable but then again what is a "NTSC powered laptop"?

Regardless, there's an issue not covered in the original question.

Shooting any of the "PAL" frame rates in an NTSC country requires care to avoid flicker from lighting. I think the flicker reduction settings in the EXs get around this but it's much more of a concern than recording to SDHC cards.

Geert van Gemert · June 4th, 2009, 02:29 AM

I live in The Netherlands and I shoot for German TV-stations. 1080i HQ Pal ofcourse. I make copies and sent the SxS cards with the original footage to them and get them returned. Works great! No problems at all.
Succes William.

June 3rd, 2009, 04:28 PM	#1
William Griffin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 204	need help: Ex and shooting PAL I just had a call from a client in NYC and he is a producer for German TV (Pro Seiben)....and his questions to me was " can you shoot PAL on your Ex3"....and I told him "Ya-vol" yes.... But I want to shoot on the SDHC cards, so he can keep them and forward them on to Germany...so the question is: Can the EX3 output PAL to the SDHC card? and can I play them back on my Sony Vaio laptop using clip browser 2.5, even if its a NTSC powered laptop? Please help.... thanks..... __________________ Bill Griffin SONY PXW-X320,PMW-300K2, LiveU LU-500,Sound Devices 552 Mixer,www.Dallascamguy.com

June 3rd, 2009, 05:47 PM	#3
William Griffin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 204	the format is XDCAM PAL.....I want to know if the SDHC card will record that. __________________ Bill Griffin SONY PXW-X320,PMW-300K2, LiveU LU-500,Sound Devices 552 Mixer,www.Dallascamguy.com

June 3rd, 2009, 08:25 PM	#8
David Issko Major Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 393	Although you can set the camera's scanning rate to PAL or NTSC areas, the camera does not shoot in standard definition. You could, however, take a live uncompressed SDSDI feed from the camera to an SDSDI recorder such as Convergent Designs upcoming nanoflash. I'm not sure that SDSDI will be available in the initial deliveries though. You DO NOT, I repeat, you do not want to take a composite or s-video output from the EX3 as the quality is RUBBISH! It is only good for very basic monitoring. I have tried using them. The EX3 will record in HD only. Hope this helps __________________ David Issko Edit 1 Video Productions

June 3rd, 2009, 10:46 PM	#10
William Griffin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 204	Am I missing something here or is my question misleading...some of the post "are way off" and don't make sense ....please re -read my first post, please. __________________ Bill Griffin SONY PXW-X320,PMW-300K2, LiveU LU-500,Sound Devices 552 Mixer,www.Dallascamguy.com

June 3rd, 2009, 11:09 PM	#11
Bob Jackson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Republic of Vancouver Island Posts: 200	<Can the EX3 output PAL to the SDHC card? and can I play them back on my Sony Vaio laptop using clip browser 2.5, even if its a NTSC powered laptop?> The card will be whatever format Pal or NTSC you use. No such thing as an NTSC powered laptop. pal or NTSC or secan refer to TV set standards only. __________________ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. AC Clarke

June 3rd, 2009, 05:34 PM	#2
Tuy Le Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 96	I don't have EX3. But I just checked the manual - set the video format to PAL. NTSC should be 60i, 30P, 24P 60P and PAL should be 50i, 25P, 50P. However you will need to ask them what format do they want before you shoot.

June 3rd, 2009, 05:55 PM	#4
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	I think we have a few score PAL SDHC users. The makers of MxR are in Australia after all (PAL country). CPU shouldn't make a difference. Just make sure to setup your NLE for PAL.

June 4th, 2009, 01:01 AM	#12
Gerry Curtis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 54	clarification The EX-3 doesn't record PAL, it only records in HD, you should clarify what the prospective client format-wise. 25/50 frame per second HD frame rates isn't the same as PAL even though those terms are loosely interchanged. Cheers, Gerry

June 4th, 2009, 01:39 AM	#13
Paul Newman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Agua Blanca Ibiza Posts: 305	What an irritable selection of reply's: Yes your EX3 will record to the SDHC card in any selectable camera format. Set your camera to 1080 50i HQ mode and shoot. Yes, the files will play on any Laptop, in any country, using Sony Clip Browser. Send the SDHC cards to Germany, I'm sure they will be very happy. Paul. __________________ Another Sunny Day in Ibiza

June 4th, 2009, 02:24 AM	#14
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	Some of the replies might be irritable but then again what is a "NTSC powered laptop"? Regardless, there's an issue not covered in the original question. Shooting any of the "PAL" frame rates in an NTSC country requires care to avoid flicker from lighting. I think the flicker reduction settings in the EXs get around this but it's much more of a concern than recording to SDHC cards.

June 4th, 2009, 02:29 AM	#15
Geert van Gemert Tourist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Maastricht, Netherlands Posts: 2	I live in The Netherlands and I shoot for German TV-stations. 1080i HQ Pal ofcourse. I make copies and sent the SxS cards with the original footage to them and get them returned. Works great! No problems at all. Succes William.