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Trevor Meeks November 24th, 2009 02:34 PM

dang, forgot to check with them! filmtools is my fave! oh well, abel was great to work with, mine should be shipping out today as well.

Paul Inglis November 25th, 2009 03:59 AM

Looks like they are beginning to ‘Filter’ through :)

Trevor Meeks November 25th, 2009 04:44 AM

Post edited - realized I ordered the wrong filter. Stevie with Abel Cine called me this morning and got it all resolved. Now that's what I call awesome service!

Thanks Stevie (and her informant!) for getting my dumb slip-up taken care of.

Adam Reuter November 25th, 2009 03:09 PM

Tiffen T1 IR Review
 
Here's my micro-review/footage of the Tiffen T1 IR filter. It contains video of before and after under outdoor overcast conditions.


Yay! My subject's nice black suits or dingy black shorts will no longer have a murky brown color! Thanks Tiffen! To best honest though the light loss does stink and I will more than likely take the filter off when shooting in low light. Stage lighting should be OK though.

With these results though, I say, "Sony you owe me $77.20!" I say we all set a date and mail out our bills to them so they get them 'ala the CBS peanut Fiasco.

Dave Morrison November 25th, 2009 05:49 PM

I'm sure you'll get your refund about the same time I get mine for the $200 Tiffen 486 I bought. ;-)

Adam Reuter November 25th, 2009 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Morrison (Post 1452341)
I'm sure you'll get your refund about the same time I get mine for the $200 Tiffen 486 I bought. ;-)

LOL...yeah I'm not really counting on it but it's more of a symbolic thing, haha.

Vincent Oliver November 26th, 2009 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Reuter (Post 1452277)
Here's my micro-review/footage of the Tiffen T1 IR filter.

I will more than likely take the filter off when shooting in low light. Stage lighting should be OK though.

I shot a stage production before the filter was available, the black costumes all turned brown, had to go back the next day and shoot it all again on my Canon XH A1.

I spoke to Sony UK about this problem, and they were unaware or in denial that there was a problem. In other words the cost of putting this right would be too much. Besides, the increase in red saturation is a feature of this camera, having blacks that turn to brown is an added bonus.

Nick Wilson November 26th, 2009 11:30 AM

Sony UK are not unaware of the red problem. I reported it to Prime Support as a fault and was sent a pdf of the Tiffen T1 white paper. Sony themselves said that no fix was possible, so Prime Support could not do anything.

Dean Harrington November 27th, 2009 04:04 PM

Still waiting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Inglis (Post 1452042)
Looks like they are beginning to ‘Filter’ through :)

Not a peep out of Abel Cine about delivery of the T1 IR filter. I sent two reminders to give me a delivery date and await an answer. I guess my week-wait will be several weeks ... could use this filter ... YESTERDAY !!!

Paul Inglis November 28th, 2009 03:17 AM

Hi Dean,

Not heard a thing from Abel Cine. No acknowledgement whatsoever. In the end got one from Top Teks in the UK.

Trevor Meeks November 28th, 2009 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 1453020)
Not a peep out of Abel Cine about delivery of the T1 IR filter. I sent two reminders to give me a delivery date and await an answer. I guess my week-wait will be several weeks ... could use this filter ... YESTERDAY !!!

Dean, have you called them? You really should call their NY office and ask for Stevie - she was a huge help with my order. I know you're in tokyo, but SkypeOut is cheap!

Best of luck.

Dean Harrington November 28th, 2009 05:28 PM

will call ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevor Meeks (Post 1453165)
Dean, have you called them? You really should call their NY office and ask for Stevie - she was a huge help with my order. I know you're in tokyo, but SkypeOut is cheap!

Best of luck.

I will give Stevie a call ... my tuesday will be her Monday. Skype out ... the best means of contact ... apart from being there.

Ed Kukla November 28th, 2009 06:19 PM

filter for the W/A
 
I own the Fuji custom W/ A lens for the EX-3. So far, no plans on making a screw on for that lens. Only 4X5, and my matte box doesn't work on the W/A.

anyone with a Fuji W/A for the EX-3, please contact Tiffen and request they make a screw on for this lens.

Dean Harrington December 1st, 2009 05:54 PM

received a note ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 1453345)
I will give Stevie a call ... my tuesday will be her Monday. Skype out ... the best means of contact ... apart from being there.

Stieve sent me a missive that says she'll let me know when stock comes in and can be shipped. I guess they still don't have stock of the 77mm lens.

Rick Jones December 1st, 2009 10:38 PM

Filmtools still has these in stock! No need to wait on Able or B&H. I just got another one in the mail today.

Dean Harrington December 2nd, 2009 01:57 AM

just checked ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 1453345)
I will give Stevie a call ... my tuesday will be her Monday. Skype out ... the best means of contact ... apart from being there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Jones (Post 1454909)
Filmtools still has these in stock! No need to wait on Able or B&H. I just got another one in the mail today.

filmtools lists the filter as out of stock?

John Harbor December 2nd, 2009 04:12 AM

on backorder at B&H also

Bob Grant December 2nd, 2009 04:42 AM

Got an email from Tiffen Au two days ago to say stock had arrived and mine had shipped. Indeed it did arrive today.

Bruce Rawlings December 2nd, 2009 05:04 AM

Just got my 77mm filter here in Wales. Trying to work out what the front thread is as it is not 77mm and so my format matte box will not fit.

Trevor Meeks December 2nd, 2009 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 1454967)
filmtools lists the filter as out of stock?

I have a feeling the T1-IR filters will disappear quicker than a pizza at a weightwatchers convention...

just sayin'

Piotr Wozniacki December 2nd, 2009 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Rawlings (Post 1454997)
Just got my 77mm filter here in Wales. Trying to work out what the front thread is as it is not 77mm and so my format matte box will not fit.

Bruce,

Can you confirm this? If the front filter is in fact NOT 77mm, I'm hosed... I mean, I asked TWICE, and then again, when ordering mine from Abel Cine. My problem is that using a matte box most of the time, I was originally thinking about the 4x5.65" version of the T1. This proved to be horribly expensive so I changed my order to the 77mm screw-on, planning to screw my Letus and/or matte box to it... They BOTH require 77mm outer filter thread! I still am waiting for my Order, but now I'm scared that I made a wrong decision.

Andy of Abel - please comment!

Paul Inglis December 2nd, 2009 11:15 AM

Hi Piotr,

I have a Tiffen 77mm T1 IR Filter that has a thread front and back. They both are 77mm and it fits under the original lens hood too!

In the first instance I struggled to screw in another filter but once I had it goes in and out with ease. I now have my matte box adaptor ring on it.

Vincent Oliver December 2nd, 2009 11:53 AM

From what I can gather, there are two versions available, a slim filter and a normal size. I have the slim version without a front thread, no problem I do not have a Letus or Matt Box either and would not require extra filter in front of the T1 filter.

You can adapt an existing double threaded filter and drop in the Tiffen filter, I think Steve Shovlar did this.

Dave Morrison December 2nd, 2009 11:53 AM

I posted these questions in another thread by mistake, so please excuse the wasted bandwidth:

I'm still planning to get a T1 but I have a question for those who have received them already. Are you leaving the filter in place all the time? How much light loss is there with the filter in place? Is there any color shift with this filter (prior to WB'ing)?

Paul Inglis December 2nd, 2009 12:12 PM

Hi Dave,

To answer your questions;

1. I leave my filter on all the time now
2. There is a 1/3 stop loss
3. Colour shifting – It fixes the far red contamination and everything looks good

Ed Kukla December 2nd, 2009 12:15 PM

My T-1 77mm filter screws onto the front of the standard lens and has clearance for the stock lens hood.

There are threads on the outside of the filter to accomodate my 77mm to series 9 adapter ring that I use to mount my matte box.

Everything works fine.


I plan on leaving my T-1 on all the time. That way everything will match all the time and no getting caught without the filter on at the wrong time.

Now I have to figure out hwat to do with my Fuji W/A lens.

Paul Inglis December 2nd, 2009 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1455155)
From what I can gather, there are two versions available, a slim filter and a normal size.

There is also a slim version with a thread on the front. Mine measures just over 3mm.

Bruce Rawlings December 2nd, 2009 01:25 PM

Piotr, will check the filter thread later this evening. I have 77 to 82 converter ring for my Format matte box. Will spend a little more time to check things out.

Docea Marius December 2nd, 2009 01:39 PM

Can someone post a comparison test, T1 and tifen B + W 486? Thanks

Bruce Rawlings December 2nd, 2009 02:01 PM

Sorry to scare anyone about filter front thread size. It is 77mm I was trying to put on Format 82mm! doh!

Ed Kukla December 2nd, 2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docea Marius (Post 1455225)
Can someone post a comparison test, T1 and tifen B + W 486? Thanks

They both do a good job of correcting the color problem. BUT, the 486 filter puts a strange vinginette of green in the corners on wide angle lenses. The W/A lens looks through the filter from a severe angle at the edges, and the coating of the filter is only designed to be looked straight through. the Tiffen does not have this problem.
If you never go W/A with you lens, you're OK with the 486.

Dean Harrington December 2nd, 2009 09:06 PM

abelcine ...
 
The 77mm T1 will be in on This Friday. Stevie has just sent me a note on this.

Docea Marius December 3rd, 2009 12:44 AM

Thanks for the reply, I have a filter 486 mounted on EX1 and frankly I do not mind vignetting.Am seen here a test done by Adam Reuter with T1. Never seemed OK in color, has a green tint.

Piotr Wozniacki December 3rd, 2009 11:55 AM

Just got my T1, and am delighted!

Yes, there is some light loss - but I can still shoot inside my dimly lit rooms, so it's negligible (YMMV).

The AWB settled to 2900K with all tungsten around, and the colors are beautiful - with blacks as reach as never before!

Dano Motley December 3rd, 2009 12:32 PM

bayonette question ref bw 486
 
i have the 486 mounted on the ex3. i also use a wide angled lens that bayonette mounts on the camera (16x9's .45). unfortunatly i have to take off the 486 filter every time i use the wide angle. my question is...is there an adapter that will extend the bayonette mounting capailitied past the B&W 486?

thanks in advance,

Dano

Leonard Levy December 3rd, 2009 06:03 PM

After finally getting my EX back from Sony I 've been able to at last try out my T1.

It does lose a little more light than I expected and seems to desaturate a touch so I would raise the sat about +10 when I have it in. I see now I'd like to have a 486 also as that loses no light and is perfect behind a 35mm adapter where I'm not to keen on losing 1/2 or more stop. Don't think I'll spring for a 486 tough as the cost is so high, but I do understand why some people might want to stay with it. Too limited for a general filter for my taste though because of the wide angle issue.
Best solution - EX1R

Michael B. McGee December 4th, 2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonard Levy (Post 1455794)
....Best solution - EX1R

why? does the EX1R have a better built-in hot mirror/IR filter?

Chad Johnson December 4th, 2009 08:15 PM

There is no IR filter on the EX1. The R model added one. Now everyone who buys one doesn't have to buy a lame filter to leave on all the time.


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