Does Sony give us a discount if we get close?

Other things not mentioned:
3 seconds or more record cache
90 or 120FPS overcrank (so SDHC would go to 60fps and SxS would be up to 120fps).
Record to either or both SxS/SDHC and XDCAM disc.

I think whatever it is it'll be shoulder mount and somewhere in the price range of the F335 and F355 because these is where the EX is eating their own market internally. Sony needs a compelling reason for people to spend more. Keep in mind they may be announcing more than one camera.

It could be EX5 and EX7 to "replace" F335 and F355.

I would be happy with a BIG price reduction in cost of SxS cards.

no need for big or shoulder mount, no sports shooter here.
the form factor and ergo of the EX1 is already ideal for us.
for nearly 2 years...

1080/60p and maybe a greater and faster zoom would be fabulous.
f1.4 or f1.6 down to f2.0 on the long end.....
interchangeable lens just gets us cleaning the sensor more than we like.
still, love to mount a nikkor 85 1.4 or zeiss manual 1.4 of the same on the EX2 or EX4

hopeful from queens.....
paul

My guess
 

I think a more realistic guess would be an EX5. A shoulder mounted EX with 1/2" chips and interchangeable lenses, and otherwise not much different from the 1 or 3. I'm guessing it will cost at least $10,000, but probably more. Unlike the 3XXs, it won't do DV-CAM which will be annoying for those of us who still have SD customers. It won't do XD disks either.

Read CCDs would be nice though.

Well that eliminates EVERYTHING we've been speculating because none of it would surprise me (or us) since this is what we expect might happen.

Now I have to take a different tact. What would surprise us?

Sony buying JVC

Discontinuing the entire EX line and instead making the equivalent to EX1 and EX3 with XDCAM disc which would end this whole SxS/SDHC stuff and put Sony in control of the media.

Discontinuing the aforementioned and replacing it with a DSLR still camera with video recording that's better than the 5D.

Making all the above tape based cameras by introducing the XDCAM equivalent of BetaSX tape.

A shoulder mount EX camera with some of the previously mentioned features does not surprise me (us?) at all so it has to be "something completely different."

Use the Exmor R 'backlit' sensor. That, for one thing, would make it amazingly good in low light, even compared to how it is now.

Hi Craig,

Interesting theory. Perhaps, as you suggest, Sony will surprise us by abandoning SxS cards. High Capacity SSDs might be a viable alternative.

Is there a prize for guessing correctly?

In a good way?

Yes, I think it will be a nice surprise. But that's just me. YMMV of course.

-gb-

I'm sure what's coming will surprise almost everyone ;0) but I'll be in a lot of trouble I say anything more, probably said too much already.

I'll put my bet on an EX5. It's due.

Alright, with a comment like THAT Im guessing a full sensor to give the Canon 5DM2 some competition.

Sony and Panasonic have joined forces in the P2 project ---- no - no anything like that never happend before and probably never will. New full size 2/3 EX camera to compete with Panasonic P2. - I guess.

Why do people rate the 5D so much? Sure it's a full frame sensor but that doesn't matter as the codec doesn't bear close examination, the skew is terrible and the ergonomics of working with a DSLR is appalling. OK it's easier to get a "film look" but any professional can get the same out of an EX3

When I want a short DOF or when shooting golden hour, the differences to me are dramatic.
But I agree its has its limitations and uses. Which is exactly why I bought an EX-3 several weeks ago. For professional uses with clients the EX-3 offers a lot of what the 5D does not.
I like using them together and use them for their strengths. The facility I work at did a night shoot of an Allman Brothers concert recently and in post the footage was displayed by a HD projector on a large screen. The images were breathtaking.

It also says:

"You spoke, we listen" on the home page.

So could it could be something very requested...

I hope it is not going to make me regret that I have just ordered an EX3 this week...

I would hold off on buying anything for a few days.

Too late for me, I already ordered it on Monday.

I now believe Sony's big announcement will be a 3D XDCAM EX (perhaps called EX3D?).

It will use the EX3's single 1/2" interchangeable lens mount, Sony's recently prototyped beam-splitting 3D system feeding two illuminated "Xmor R" sensors to facilitate very high frame-rates.

It will need a bigger battery to handle the extra overhead and faster recording (on raided SSDs) to handle the extra bandwidth and, of course, a 3D viewfinder. The extra body length and weight makes shoulder mounting a no-brainer.

The camera will be supported by a suite of new applications designed to handle a new 3D file-type and to appeal to the broadest-possible market.

I believe this because Sony are investing heavily in 3D TV's. Their consumer TV division has taken a battering from the competition and they need to make a come-back. 3D is a unique opportunity to do so.

If 3D TV is going to take off there needs to be more 3D content and that will only happen (in todays economic climate) when costs come down. The enormous success of the EX series enables Sony to produce an affordable 3D solution through economies-of-scale. It may even come-in under £10K.

The compact 1/2" blocks and efficient sensors make it perfect for sports coverage especially. They'll need to fix that rolling shutter though. If any of this does materialize then Sony are bound to revise the EX1 & 3 to boot.

- now, hopefully, I can get some sleep.

This is what I heard. Panasonic HPX-300 form factor true shoulder camera.

Basically a better EX-3.

Perhaps Chris had better buy in some more bandwidth for Tuesday

This morning's teaser from Sony describes the announcement as "Big, industry-shaking, ground-breaking". A shoulder-mounted EX3 doesn't fit that description.

An affordable, compact, shoulder-mounted 3D camcorder does. Sony believe that they can drive demand for their 3D consumer TV's (arriving 2010) by launching this product now.

They want to dominate the nascent consumer 3D TV market. After seven consecutive loss-making years they desperately need a hit. They've cut OLED R&D (Samsung & LG now blaze that trail), that leaves Sony with all their eggs in the 3D basket.

With their lead in broadcast camera technology, Sony are uniquely placed to pull this off.

It's a copier (they had to compete with Canon).

Kidding... ;-)

not very amusing that guys "in the know" come on here and say "you'll get a surprise but I can't say more". No offence but I could say something like that to big note and never be proved wrong (I don't have any inside info BTW). No value added here.

Thank goodness I don't fly to Japan until next week as I've got lots of yen in travellers cheques with an EX1's name on them, but if this thing on the 20th surprises it might mean I buy that instead. If it's out soonish.

My speculation:
Maybe Sony is going to release a Red scarlet non-vapor competitor, 4:2:2 and 50+ mbps.

2/3" with removable lens (native or adaptable to B4), decent form factor, ie HPX300, radio mic slot, VF as good or better than EX3, solid(!!), 50Mbps MPEG2 (although 10bit would be better), affordable single use media with 150min plus record time, no IR contamination issues and PQ & low light to match (hopefully better) the EX3 would have me waiting in line.

Conventional wisdom:A 1/2inc shoulder mount EX variant, maybe with. A 2/3inch would cannibalize the 700-800 cameras especially if it is priced below 20K.

Unconventional thinking: A S35 sensor and SLR lens compatibility.

Both in the 35Mbits realm, unless Sony has managed something extraordinary.

No worries. DV Info Net is well prepared, as always.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...-new-ex1r.html

New EX1R is out....

a site link also

Sony PMW-EX1R

Some of the "big" things are
Cache Record up to 15 seconds
HDMI out
Standard Def recording
One push Auto Iris
One push for S&Q change
New View Finder
Camera holding
Switch improvements
Firmware upgrade by users.

I presume this isn't Tuesday's BIG announcement?

Well if THAT'S ALL the big new release that "those in the know" said we would get then that's a very big let down IMHO. This is a very good, welcome but modest upgrade to a stunning cam.

Let's hope there is more good (read better) news to come on 20th.

EDIT: I see Mike and I think in the same way on this one!

I believe it's not. I read on another forum that there are two models for release. They're announcing this one and another one. The EX1R info from the web page that is posted here probably got leaked as there isn't a Sony press release for it yet.

This isn't a big announcement. BIG = big new sensor. So it's an upgraded EX1 PLUS a big-sensor Scarlet/upcoming-Canon killer.

Yeah Damian, you could. But since anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of spreading fertilizer on message boards. Especially one where I've moderated for a few years. You can believe me or not, your choice. The same can be said for Alister and a few others around here who have a close working relationship with Sony as early adopters of the XDCAM family.

Regards,

-gb-

Would Sony introduce a shoulder mount camera that records to disc in the EX codec?

I have a feeling the EX1R wont be the only thing being announced.


Lest just say that I might be tasked to co-produce a very ambitious music video involving very bright Videographers and popular music artists. Since its very ambitious as is, I’m willing to include almost any new camera Sony decides to release. What are the chances of Sony giving me a test unit for about week? and that has to include a weekend (I know beggers can't be choosers).
I’m actually serious by the way.

Something "BIG" huh ??.... Hmm..maybe SUMOCAM with JUMBOCHIPs ?

But there are many zooms that are also constant aperture, unlike video zoom lenses. Even those lenses with an aperture ring are not particularly smooth to adjust.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damian Heffernan
No offence but I could say something like that to big note and never be proved wrong (I don't have any inside info BTW).

Yeah Damian, you could. But since anyone who knows me, knows that I'm not in the habit of spreading fertilizer on message boards. Especially one where I've moderated for a few years. You can believe me or not, your choice. The same can be said for Alister and a few others around here who have a close working relationship with Sony as early adopters of the XDCAM family.

Regards,

-gb-


Really meant no offence Greg. I'm certain yourself and Alister would be quite in the know as you're connected with the big guys in ways we're not for sure. I meant it's just frustrating for us bleeding edge types waiting even one more day for the goss. We need information now!