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Phil Hanna November 17th, 2010 11:46 AM

Client can't play mov file on Premiere
Hi all:
I recently shot some video for a client who edits in Adobe Premiere. I shot the video on my Sony EX-1 and off loaded the sxs files to my hard drive. They are listed as 516_6907_012.mov (example) When she opens in Premiere, she gets audio only. What does she need on here system or what do I need to do to provide her with files she can use and edit?

Phil Hanna

Perrone Ford November 17th, 2010 12:14 PM

Give her the BPAV file structure. In fact, give that to ANYONE in a handoff. That removes any potential future problems, and lets editors have access to important Metadata they might need down the road.

Phil Hanna November 17th, 2010 12:33 PM

Further Question
Thanks, Perrone:

So, I put the SxS card back into the compter and copied the BAPV file directly onto the portable hard drive. I had to label one of them BPAV_ as BPAV was already on the drive. She can put this into her computer and her program Premiere will be able to read the files?


Craig Seeman November 17th, 2010 12:45 PM

I wish people would learn the workflow first.
Never rename BPAV folder.

Use ClipBrowser with CRC to copy to hard drive. It can create a timestamped parent folder.
BPAVs are your camera masters, not files wrapped to .mov or .mxf or encoded to another format.
You wont hand someone a problem if you do it the right way.

Perrone Ford November 17th, 2010 12:46 PM

If the program won't read the files, the Sony software to make it compatible is free. I'd include the Sony Browser on the disk as well. This is just good form. When I am handing off, I include all BPAV files (broken down by day and reel) along with any supporting software like the Sony Clipbrowser, VLC, etc.

That way, I am ensured that whoever will need to see or edit my footage has all the tools required to do so. At least as much as I can control.

Make sense?

Perrone Ford November 17th, 2010 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Craig Seeman (Post 1588991)
I wish people would learn the workflow first.

You wont hand someone a problem if you do it the right way.

I hear ya Craig. But I am giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. Doing handoffs is pretty uncommon for a lot of shooters. I can remember when I first had to hand off, and when I got my first one. The first one I got was from a guy on FCE who sent me a Mac formatted drive with AIC encoded files. I learned a LOT on that project. Not to mention the guy was some 2500 miles from me!

Craig Seeman November 17th, 2010 01:15 PM

A big part of the problem is Sony provides virtually nothing to recommend a universal workflow. If you go to their site (depending on country) they have workflows for specific NLEs but none of it is relevant to handing off files. There's just no easy way to learn this.

I do think the simple "universal" workflow is:
ClipBrowser with CRC on to hard drive - you now have camera masters
Backup using your method of choice but do backup.
rewrap and import into NLE as needed.

Keep in mind it's not just about handing off. Imagine having nothing but EX .mov files for Final Cut Pro and two years from now you switch to another NLE that doesn't deal with EX .mov

Keep in mind some NLEs already handle the BPAV with the .mp4 contained within. Even FCP does with Calibrated Software codec or Sony Cinemon.

The BPAV is the "cassette" containing the tape. Don't break the cassette or you may find yourself rescuing the tape. In that respect, it's really no different than tape. It's just a software equivalent of a cassette. All it would take is a paragraph or two for Sony to impart that info to new users.

Jim Snow November 17th, 2010 06:46 PM

Perrone is right. ONLY hand off the BPAV folder to someone that you wish to give footage to. I promise you much misery if you don't. By far the biggest problem you will have is the MAC / PC 'Tower of Babel'. When the Sony utilities offload the BPAV folders, the files are rewrapped into the appropriate file containers for the system they are to be used on. I don't know why but I have run into self anointed experts that want to argue the point - until they run into a brick wall and embarrass themselves. I do a lot of shooting for other people and the way I deliver their video is by transferring their BAPV folders onto a portable USB hard drive and loan them the drive. As an added safety factor, I don't erase the chips until the files have been safely transferred from the portable hard drive.

Aside from rewrapping the files into the appropriate file format, the video segments are stitched together to insure the video flows without interruption from one file segment to the next.

Phil Hanna November 17th, 2010 08:29 PM

Thanks to all
Thanks guys, I knew this would be the place to get the info. I have transferred all BPAV folders from the shoot to the portable hard drive. I have advised my client to download a copy of XDCAM Transfer for her PC. Now when I give her footage as BPAV folders, should be able to reliably transfer the materials. If I am incorrect in this assessment, please advise. Again, thanks so much for helping me out.


Craig Seeman November 17th, 2010 09:17 PM

XDCAM Transfer is Mac only. ClipBrowser is what's needed.

Phil Hanna November 17th, 2010 09:42 PM

Great, That is the clarification I needed.

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