matching EX1 to hpx170 at DVinfo.net

Michael B. McGee · June 27th, 2011, 10:27 AM

I'm shooting a project with my EX1 and the director will be operating his camera (hpx170). He wants to match my camera to his.

Here's his settings, maybe you could let me know how to adjust my camera to match his:

Detail - +1

Chroma level - 0

Chroma phase - 0

Gamma - B-press

Matrix - Cine-like

Thanks,
Mike

Dave Sperling · June 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM

The two cameras are quite different, so don't expect matching to happen easily.
Think of all the differences - chip size, sharpness, different chip colorimetry.
Forget about 'matching by the numbers', and start with a really accurate monitor and scopes, and of course a variety of colors and contrasts to shoot. I've found it possible to match my EX1 pretty well to the HDX900 when required, though have had less luck matching to the old Varicam (I was able to get the same pinkish skin tone, but never could get the same soft image from the EX1.)
Of course once you get them close you should also think about which camera to use for what shot to better hide the differences.
Whataver tests you do, give them to the editor BEFORE you shoot, so they can add their 2 cents at an appropriate time!

Michael B. McGee · June 28th, 2011, 06:40 AM

Cool, thanks. Unfortunately, we don't have access to a monitor with scopes. I really appreciate your tip about what camera to use for certain shots. That makes a lot of sense. And I forgot to mention that the HPX170 will have a Redrock M2 adapter on it as well. The EX1 will be naked, so, we'll have to find some kind of "grain" filter to apply to my Sony footage in post.

Dave Sperling · June 28th, 2011, 01:42 PM

So shoot some tests and at least split screen them in your NLE so you can see both images simultaneously in the same screen. Then tweek the camera settings a little and look at the (revised) split screen. Repeat until you have something you think is workable.

Andrew Stone · June 28th, 2011, 10:22 PM

Check the picture profiles thread. Andy Shipsides from Abel Cine Tech posted picture profiles that emulate the standard profiles in the HPX-170.

Here is the post from that epic thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1008414

Michael B. McGee · June 29th, 2011, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Stone

Check the picture profiles thread. Andy Shipsides from Abel Cine Tech posted picture profiles that emulate the standard profiles in the HPX-170.

Here is the post from that epic thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1008414

Thanks a lot Andrew.

Michael B. McGee · June 29th, 2011, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Sperling

So shoot some tests and at least split screen them in your NLE so you can see both images simultaneously in the same screen. Then tweek the camera settings a little and look at the (revised) split screen. Repeat until you have something you think is workable.

That's what I was planning on doing. I just wanted a jump start. And thanks to Andrew's post. I got what I was looking for.

Thanks.

Andrew Stone · June 29th, 2011, 06:04 PM

By some freak of nature I remembered approximately where it was in the PP thread. You only want to go through that thread once and take carefully notes.

Andrew Stone · June 29th, 2011, 06:08 PM

One more thing.. Be careful with those profiles particularly with the setting the highlights in the more common settings like CINE V, CINE D and so on. I have been informed by Panasonic veterans that it is best to underexpose the highlights and bring it up in post. Similar to what you will hear from Sony operators as you can crush the highlights in a compressed part of the gamma curve and not be able to get the nuance and shading back in post.

The prudent thing to do would be some test shooting under the conditions of your upcoming work to see how the gamma curve is applied in practical terms.

June 27th, 2011, 10:27 AM	#1
Michael B. McGee Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 318	matching EX1 to hpx170 I'm shooting a project with my EX1 and the director will be operating his camera (hpx170). He wants to match my camera to his. Here's his settings, maybe you could let me know how to adjust my camera to match his: Detail - +1 Chroma level - 0 Chroma phase - 0 Gamma - B-press Matrix - Cine-like Thanks, Mike

June 27th, 2011, 05:05 PM	#2
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 The two cameras are quite different, so don't expect matching to happen easily. Think of all the differences - chip size, sharpness, different chip colorimetry. Forget about 'matching by the numbers', and start with a really accurate monitor and scopes, and of course a variety of colors and contrasts to shoot. I've found it possible to match my EX1 pretty well to the HDX900 when required, though have had less luck matching to the old Varicam (I was able to get the same pinkish skin tone, but never could get the same soft image from the EX1.) Of course once you get them close you should also think about which camera to use for what shot to better hide the differences. Whataver tests you do, give them to the editor BEFORE you shoot, so they can add their 2 cents at an appropriate time!

June 28th, 2011, 06:40 AM	#3
Michael B. McGee Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 318	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 Cool, thanks. Unfortunately, we don't have access to a monitor with scopes. I really appreciate your tip about what camera to use for certain shots. That makes a lot of sense. And I forgot to mention that the HPX170 will have a Redrock M2 adapter on it as well. The EX1 will be naked, so, we'll have to find some kind of "grain" filter to apply to my Sony footage in post.

June 28th, 2011, 01:42 PM	#4
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 So shoot some tests and at least split screen them in your NLE so you can see both images simultaneously in the same screen. Then tweek the camera settings a little and look at the (revised) split screen. Repeat until you have something you think is workable.

June 28th, 2011, 10:22 PM	#5
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 Check the picture profiles thread. Andy Shipsides from Abel Cine Tech posted picture profiles that emulate the standard profiles in the HPX-170. Here is the post from that epic thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1008414

June 29th, 2011, 06:04 PM	#8
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 By some freak of nature I remembered approximately where it was in the PP thread. You only want to go through that thread once and take carefully notes.

June 29th, 2011, 06:08 PM	#9
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: matching EX1 to hpx170 One more thing.. Be careful with those profiles particularly with the setting the highlights in the more common settings like CINE V, CINE D and so on. I have been informed by Panasonic veterans that it is best to underexpose the highlights and bring it up in post. Similar to what you will hear from Sony operators as you can crush the highlights in a compressed part of the gamma curve and not be able to get the nuance and shading back in post. The prudent thing to do would be some test shooting under the conditions of your upcoming work to see how the gamma curve is applied in practical terms.