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Andrew Stone March 17th, 2011 03:03 PM
Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4.
 
Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?

Dean Harrington March 17th, 2011 03:43 PM
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That's very nice! Just what the doctor ordered!

Dave Sperling March 17th, 2011 04:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Stone (Post 1628891)
Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?
I had read in another thread that the F3 without the upgrade already supports 1080p60 via dual link output, but of course requires an outboard recoder to record 1080p60.

Dean Harrington March 17th, 2011 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome (Post 1628797)
Dean, it's likely that the new convergent designs recorder has nothing to do with the discontinued XDR. They left that recorder to die at the roadside and that's where it'll stay. They never completed a number of features that were promised in the XDR, I know because I have one. With the rumor of the new recorder coming, I don't expect they'll ever complete those promised features.

Here's just a few reasons why the XDR can't be a part of any new 4:4:4 recorder

- XDR SDI input circuitry is single link 422 only, I recall that 3G/s is simply not possible with this hardware
- Codec is MPEG2, which is 8 bit 422 only
- Records to CF card only, which is not practical for 4:4:4 recording (which is why no 4:4:4 CF recorders exist. Any new recorder would likely record to SSD)

I'd love to hear about some kind of affordable upgrade path to 4:4:4 recording for us XDR owners. However, I'm pretty sure the upgrade path with be eBay the XDR on eBay and scrape together the difference to buy the new recorder.
Aaron ... I agree ... you bought into the XDR at the beginning and I think you should talk to the people at Convergent Design about some sort of upgrade path ... perhaps a substantial upgrade path. On another note, I bought the original DVX100, with its quirks, and watched as the DVX100 A came out with better qualities within a year ... so, I understand your regrets!

Aaron Newsome March 17th, 2011 06:49 PM
Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Stone (Post 1628891)
Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?
The F3 outputs 1080p/60 over dual link SDI, out of the box. The firmware upgrade is not needed for this. I've tested it quite a bit, recording to the Cinedeck.

Timur Civan March 18th, 2011 11:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome (Post 1628953)
The F3 outputs 1080p/60 over dual link SDI, out of the box. The firmware upgrade is not needed for this. I've tested it quite a bit, recording to the Cinedeck.
What camera setting do you need for this to work? ive been meaning to try it out, but ican t figure out how to engage 1080 - 60p

Aaron Newsome March 18th, 2011 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timur Civan (Post 1629200)
What camera setting do you need for this to work? ive been meaning to try it out, but ican t figure out how to engage 1080 - 60p
Others > System > Format > HQ 1920/59.94i
VIDEO SET > Dual Link & Gamma Select > 1.5G YPbPr422 & Video

Neve rmind that the setting is 59.94i. The dual link output is indeed progressive, as the sensor is progressive. Works very nicely. So glad this is possible without firmware upgrade. Also note that there is no TC on the dual link SDI out when operating in this mode.

Andrew Stone March 18th, 2011 04:34 PM
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Thanks Aaron & Dave for your response on the 1080p60 out the dual-link SDI question.

Wouldn't matter for most that there isn't timecode on the 1080p60 signal as most would be using it for slomo footage. Timecode can also be striped after the fact if necessary.

Aaron Newsome March 18th, 2011 04:51 PM
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I wasn't actually using the TC in my SDI for it's TC worthiness, since the footage is being overcranked in post the TC is useless. It's being used to trigger my external recorder. Since the TC isn't there, the recorder doesn't get triggered. That's why I brought it up.

Andrew Stone March 18th, 2011 06:50 PM
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Good point Aaron. That would apply to many of us in future.

Timur Civan March 18th, 2011 09:46 PM
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fantastic thank you!

Andy Shipsides March 19th, 2011 07:13 PM
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Watch our blog on Monday. Exciting stuff.

Andy

Brian Lai March 25th, 2011 04:35 PM
Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4.
 
So the Gemini seems to be everything promised. Too bad Dan Keaton at Convergent Design says they won't be shipping till July and no demos are available.

Alister Chapman March 26th, 2011 04:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome (Post 1629221)
Others > System > Format > HQ 1920/59.94i
VIDEO SET > Dual Link & Gamma Select > 1.5G YPbPr422 & Video
When I tried this at 50i all I got is single link 50i out of SDi 1 as well as the SDi monitor out. Nothing on SDi 2

Leonard Levy March 26th, 2011 11:42 AM
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Frankly I wish Convergent had also worked on getting 10bit 4:2:2 into something small like the Nanoflash. For a lot of people who don't need 4:4:4 the Gemini sounds like a hassle to me.
KiPro mini sounds nice but the Nano was so small. Interested in whetehr Ninja comes out with an SDI version at NAB. Any word on this?


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