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Simon Wood March 26th, 2011 11:54 AM

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"Interested in whether Ninja comes out with an SDI version at NAB. Any word on this?"

The Atomos Samurai comes out in July / August - essentially a Ninja with SDI In. I'm not sold on Prores though, and I believe the Ninja has problems accepting progressive frame rates or something???

Bruce Schultz March 26th, 2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1631797)
When I tried this at 50i all I got is single link 50i out of SDi 1 as well as the SDi monitor out. Nothing on SDi 2

My results also. KiPro mini reads 29.97, no dual link apparent.

Nate Weaver March 26th, 2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Wood (Post 1631904)
I'm not sold on Prores though,

you might be if you ever shot on an Alexa. Alexa picture quality, even just as it's lowest denominator (Rec709/ProRes HQ) is the bees knees for color correction and processing.

I even like it better than Redcode, and I know a A-list colorist here in Los Angeles who based on his comments i think would say the same. It's REALLY flexible material.

Brian Lai March 26th, 2011 07:53 PM

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Nate, Also love the Alexa's knee and am trying to tweak the F3's gamma to come close. Trying some of Alister's suggestion, but noticed 4:2:0's weakness when grading a skin texture test yesterday - saw a very slight flickering amongst uneven coloration within a face. Have you ever seen this 'flickering' on F3 footage through DaVinci? Do you think recording 4:2:2 on Nano will rid it?

Nate Weaver March 27th, 2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Lai (Post 1632039)
Nate, Also love the Alexa's knee and am trying to tweak the F3's gamma to come close. Trying some of Alister's suggestion, but noticed 4:2:0's weakness when grading a skin texture test yesterday - saw a very slight flickering amongst uneven coloration within a face. Have you ever seen this 'flickering' on F3 footage through DaVinci? Do you think recording 4:2:2 on Nano will rid it?

Never seen anything like you describe. I saw your other post about transcoding the native files in After Effects, and after hearing that, I have to suspect something went wonky in your conversion.

Flickering skin tones would never be a side effect of 4:2:0. 4:2:0 causes blockiness (aliasing) on the edges of saturated color, and you usually need to blow up the video to see it. So I have no idea what you're seeing.

Brian Lai March 27th, 2011 05:44 PM

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Thanks for clarifying 4:2:0 . The flickering I noticed was a very slight color fringing on an ECU of a face, and the post house I'm working with have imported XDCAM browser so conversion shouldn't be the problem. BTW, do you like the Nucoda FilmMaster for grading vs. DaVinci?

Nate Weaver March 27th, 2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Lai (Post 1632380)
Thanks for clarifying 4:2:0 . The flickering I noticed was a very slight color fringing on an ECU of a face, and the post house I'm working with have imported XDCAM browser so conversion shouldn't be the problem. BTW, do you like the Nucoda FilmMaster for grading vs. DaVinci?

I think you'd have to post a still or a movie, because you say both flickering AND fringing, and I can't really tell what you're talking about.

My color correction experience goes from Apple Color to Davinci, with a little bit of Scratch along the way, so I can't comment on FilmMaster other than I know it's well regarded, if a little rare.

Doug Jensen March 27th, 2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome (Post 1629221)
Also note that there is no TC on the dual link SDI out when operating in this mode.

There most certainly is timecode on Dual-Link A. It triggers my Nano perfectly.

Aaron Newsome March 28th, 2011 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug Jensen (Post 1632413)
There most certainly is timecode on Dual-Link A. It triggers my Nano perfectly.

You have timecode when outputting 60fps on dual link? The nano can't record 60fps 1080p so I'm not sure what your camera is set to.

Doug Jensen March 28th, 2011 04:03 AM

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I didn't say I was RECORDING dual link. I said that my F3 outputs SDI with embedded timecode on connector A when it is configured for Dual Link. I can record "singe" link from connector A and it has timecode.
Dual-link does have timecode and it is easy to detect even without having a dual-link recorder.


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