Streaming? Better have a backup recording at DVinfo.net

Andrew Smith · July 29th, 2019, 10:41 PM

From a video comment by Citizens' Climate Lobby Canada,

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The audio on this video was muted by YouTube because of copyright claims by "UMG", "SME", "WMG" and "[Merlin] The State 51 Conspiracy". The claims are against background music that played during our lunch break. We would be happy to edit out these songs, or edit out the entire lunch break for that matter, but this doesn't seem to be an option. YouTube instructions say to go to Edit/Audio to do this, but there is no Audio option in our Edit menu. We have no other copy of this recording, since it was produced by live streaming with Hangout on Air.

Since we have no ability to edit this video, we have disputed the copyright claim. We are arguing that our video qualifies under the non-commercial user generated content exception in the Canadian Copyright Act. Unfortunately, it looks like YouTube only expects arguments under American law, so we have filed it as "fair use" dispute. The copyright holders have 30 days to respond. Thank you all for your support.

The video can be found at:

It was 4 years ago and it looks like the issue has now been fixed so that you can hear all 7 hours of audio from the presentations. The copyright flag was due to some hideous muzak played by the DJ when lunch was on and the room was otherwise vacant.

Always good to have a standalone copy of your content which isn't dependent on YouTube liking you.

Andrew

Chris Harding · July 30th, 2019, 06:36 PM

The very reason why we use a private and paid streaming service rather than a freebie like Facebook or YouTube! We automatically get a DVR copy of our stream BUT still record to the camera card for a single camera stream or to the computer hard drive on a multi-camera stream. You can be halfway through an important event like a wedding and the signal can be suddenly poor ..with a hard copy recording at least you can go back home and re-stream it.

David Barnett · July 31st, 2019, 07:51 AM

Amateur vs Professional.

Honestly, didn't they even record to memory card? Was it just a cell phone stream, I mean, if so that's just kinda like SOL. Like having an Instagram picture taken down or something, I wouldn't expect IG to provide me with it.

Record to card, record to laptop, save recording in cloud of media server as Chris mentioned. OR, use Google Hangouts and YT Live.

Chris Harding · July 31st, 2019, 06:19 PM

I did a wedding where our 4G provider showed the signal as reasonably good but on the day the signal just fell to pieces so if there was no physical recording the bride would have lost everything! If you are charging money to do a stream I would say you should be obligated to provide a backup to the client!

Andrew Smith · July 31st, 2019, 07:59 PM

Helped a mate do a regional AFL game streaming in Toowoomba and the test speeds (prior to game day) off the network were fantastic. On the day, however, the speeds were terrible no matter where we placed the 4GX modem unit & antenna. Hardest thing is explaining RF issues to clients who only think in terms of "press button and stream ... you guys use computers".

It was some years ago and things might be better now with the further roll out of 4GX cellular tech on the towers. Standalone recordings as a backup are pretty much mandatory if you're going to save your reputational bacon.

Andrew

Donald McPherson · July 31st, 2019, 11:56 PM

You come the day before to test. No ones around. You come the day of the event every Tom, Dick and Harry are there stealing your bandwidth. Sorry, Tom, Dick and Harry.

Andrew Smith · August 1st, 2019, 02:04 AM

Also annoying how human bodies are good at absorbing RF signal strength. Just one of those things.

Andrew

Chris Harding · August 1st, 2019, 08:10 PM

Just by placing the router on a simple light stand makes all the difference in a crowded room! It's amazing how the signal strength gets better the moment its above the heads of people!

July 30th, 2019, 06:36 PM	#2
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording The very reason why we use a private and paid streaming service rather than a freebie like Facebook or YouTube! We automatically get a DVR copy of our stream BUT still record to the camera card for a single camera stream or to the computer hard drive on a multi-camera stream. You can be halfway through an important event like a wedding and the signal can be suddenly poor ..with a hard copy recording at least you can go back home and re-stream it.

July 31st, 2019, 07:51 AM	#3
David Barnett Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 951	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording Amateur vs Professional. Honestly, didn't they even record to memory card? Was it just a cell phone stream, I mean, if so that's just kinda like SOL. Like having an Instagram picture taken down or something, I wouldn't expect IG to provide me with it. Record to card, record to laptop, save recording in cloud of media server as Chris mentioned. OR, use Google Hangouts and YT Live.

July 31st, 2019, 06:19 PM	#4
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording I did a wedding where our 4G provider showed the signal as reasonably good but on the day the signal just fell to pieces so if there was no physical recording the bride would have lost everything! If you are charging money to do a stream I would say you should be obligated to provide a backup to the client!

July 31st, 2019, 07:59 PM	#5
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,015	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording Helped a mate do a regional AFL game streaming in Toowoomba and the test speeds (prior to game day) off the network were fantastic. On the day, however, the speeds were terrible no matter where we placed the 4GX modem unit & antenna. Hardest thing is explaining RF issues to clients who only think in terms of "press button and stream ... you guys use computers". It was some years ago and things might be better now with the further roll out of 4GX cellular tech on the towers. Standalone recordings as a backup are pretty much mandatory if you're going to save your reputational bacon. Andrew

July 31st, 2019, 11:56 PM	#6
Donald McPherson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Aberdeen Scotland Posts: 815	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording You come the day before to test. No ones around. You come the day of the event every Tom, Dick and Harry are there stealing your bandwidth. Sorry, Tom, Dick and Harry. __________________ A little knowledge goes a long way but not long enough.

August 1st, 2019, 02:04 AM	#7
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,015	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording Also annoying how human bodies are good at absorbing RF signal strength. Just one of those things. Andrew

August 1st, 2019, 08:10 PM	#8
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: Streaming? Better have a backup recording Just by placing the router on a simple light stand makes all the difference in a crowded room! It's amazing how the signal strength gets better the moment its above the heads of people!