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Oliver Darden · June 9th, 2008, 01:40 AM

If I was doing a documentary and I had a budget where I could pay for the rights to use an 80's song, how would I go about finding out who owns it and how much it cost to use it?

I figured some of you had to of used some hit song in your work either in a film or commercial etc.

I just don't know where to start besides finding out what record label the song is on and trying to email someone from the labels website. I doubt I would get a response if I did that.

Thanks.

Steve House · June 9th, 2008, 07:07 AM

You can try a search on the ASCAP and BMI websites, also the Harry Fox Agency site. They don't clear the sync and master use licenses you'll need but their free online databases are a good source to research who holds the various copyrights you'll need to clear. Be prepared for sticker shock.

You might find it worthwhile to engage a rights clearance agency to do all the legwork for you. It can be a real can of worms for someone to untangle on a DIY basis.

Ricky Leone · June 9th, 2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve House

Be prepared for sticker shock.

Any ballpark estimate?

Richard Alvarez · June 9th, 2008, 04:10 PM

Without knowing the song, it's impossible to even hazard a guess. There is no 'set fee' for licensing music. It all depends on the song, and the purpose of the synch - you'll just have to do some legwork.

Could be anywhere from "Hey, its a worthy cause - sure you can use it for free " to many hundreds of thousands, to "NO- GO AWAY".

Steve House · June 9th, 2008, 04:33 PM

Just as an interesting side note, here in Canada today the CTV television network has announced they have purchased the rights to use the theme to "Hockey Night in Canada" after the CBC's license for it expired last week. They plan to use it as the theme for their NHL broadcasts and the hockey coverage in the 2010 Winter Olympics. Earlier today I heard the figure of $3 million mentioned as the price they paid for the rights to use a song that's been around since 1968.

Not that it's apropos to the present discussion but I though it was interesting to note how high licensing fees can go when someone really, really wants it bad.

Steve House · June 9th, 2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Leone

Any ballpark estimate?

Here's an interesting article that discusses some specific numbers you might encounter ... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/mo...=1&oref=slogin

Oliver Darden · June 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM

any links to the specific sites you talking about Steve?

Reading that article kinda makes me sick...

Steve House · June 10th, 2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Darden

any links to the specific sites you talking about Steve?

Reading that article kinda makes me sick...

One that comes to mind is one recommended by Jay Rose on his DV audio site: www.firstlightclearance.com. I haven't dealt with her but the website has a nice ring to it. A google on Music Clearance Agency will turn up a bunch.

Oliver Darden · June 10th, 2008, 03:33 PM

Thanks Steve!

Bill Thesken · June 17th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Steve, thanks for the link, I e-mailed Cheryl to get the ball rolling. Music is key to film.

Bill Thesken · June 17th, 2008, 02:56 PM

Well that answers that question, it takes 5 posts to go from Tourist to New Boot.

Greg Quinn · June 19th, 2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve House

Here's an interesting article that discusses some specific numbers you might encounter ... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/mo...=1&oref=slogin

Steve, thanks for posting the link to that article - hadn't seen it before. I think everyone thinking of producing a doc should read that.

Greg

Matt Newcomb · June 27th, 2008, 12:13 PM

The initial price is high, but you can negotiate a much lower one some of the time, if you explain what your budget is and what is the maximum that you can afford to pay.

Jacob Burson · August 5th, 2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Darden

any links to the specific sites you talking about Steve?

Reading that article kinda makes me sick...

Yeah, I just decided to dump the idea of using any "poplular" music in the doc that I'm working on.

There are plenty of great, local musicians that will let you use a song for nothing more than a credit and/or lunch. In the same way that great video equipment is affordable, great music production is affordable. Sure, some bad video, film, and music is produced, but many creative people have shown up as well as a result.

I know that doesn't help the OP, but maybe will for someone who has had to deal with copyright issues, which is all of us.

June 9th, 2008, 01:40 AM	#1
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	copywritten music / 80's song If I was doing a documentary and I had a budget where I could pay for the rights to use an 80's song, how would I go about finding out who owns it and how much it cost to use it? I figured some of you had to of used some hit song in your work either in a film or commercial etc. I just don't know where to start besides finding out what record label the song is on and trying to email someone from the labels website. I doubt I would get a response if I did that. Thanks.

June 9th, 2008, 07:07 AM	#2
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	You can try a search on the ASCAP and BMI websites, also the Harry Fox Agency site. They don't clear the sync and master use licenses you'll need but their free online databases are a good source to research who holds the various copyrights you'll need to clear. Be prepared for sticker shock. You might find it worthwhile to engage a rights clearance agency to do all the legwork for you. It can be a real can of worms for someone to untangle on a DIY basis. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

June 9th, 2008, 04:33 PM	#5
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Just as an interesting side note, here in Canada today the CTV television network has announced they have purchased the rights to use the theme to "Hockey Night in Canada" after the CBC's license for it expired last week. They plan to use it as the theme for their NHL broadcasts and the hockey coverage in the 2010 Winter Olympics. Earlier today I heard the figure of $3 million mentioned as the price they paid for the rights to use a song that's been around since 1968. Not that it's apropos to the present discussion but I though it was interesting to note how high licensing fees can go when someone really, really wants it bad. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

June 27th, 2008, 12:13 PM	#13
Matt Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 212	The initial price is high, but you can negotiate a much lower one some of the time, if you explain what your budget is and what is the maximum that you can afford to pay. __________________ Talenos Productions at http://www.talenos.com

June 9th, 2008, 04:10 PM	#4
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Without knowing the song, it's impossible to even hazard a guess. There is no 'set fee' for licensing music. It all depends on the song, and the purpose of the synch - you'll just have to do some legwork. Could be anywhere from "Hey, its a worthy cause - sure you can use it for free " to many hundreds of thousands, to "NO- GO AWAY".

June 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM	#7
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	any links to the specific sites you talking about Steve? Reading that article kinda makes me sick...

June 10th, 2008, 03:33 PM	#9
Oliver Darden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 522	Thanks Steve!

June 17th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#10
Bill Thesken Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: HI, USA Posts: 622	Steve, thanks for the link, I e-mailed Cheryl to get the ball rolling. Music is key to film.

June 17th, 2008, 02:56 PM	#11
Bill Thesken Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: HI, USA Posts: 622	Well that answers that question, it takes 5 posts to go from Tourist to New Boot.