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Shooting for Video Stock Footage?
We live in the South of France which is a very photogenic (& to some a very glamorous) part of the world & as we go about our regular work shooting video for clients my wife & I wondered about the viability of shooting specifically for video stock footage for the likes of istockphoto, gettyimages etc
Can anyone share some experience of this market? Is it realistic to think that I can just shoot some nice footage of the Monaco, St Tropez or elsewhere on the French Riviera, submit it & then step back & wait for the money to roll in? I am guessing not:-) However somebody must be filming all those clips that Getty are charging thousands for. |
If you're going to be at a location anyway then it makes sense to do some extra shots. It essentially will cost you next to nothing to do.
About the only thing I can suggest would be to get shots that are different and stand out to what is currently available in the stock libraries. (Not that I have looked at what is currently on offer.) Andrew |
You will need signed releases for anybody on camera, or any business or residence being shown.
Good luck! |
istock wiil rip you off as they pay next to nothing to the producer. Shop around and see if you can find someone or some site that will represent you for sales of the footage. I think you'll probably find you'll need to shoot a fair bit of stuff on spec and put together a show reel to show what you can offer.
Agree with the other response though: if you're there anyway shoot it. p.s. you won't need releases from everyone, look into your local laws and see what you need, it differs Country by Country. |
Never done it. But I've thought about doing things like that as a great way to write-off travel to exotic places ;)
-R |
Robert, I know you're just joking, but obviously you could only write it off against income that the travel actually produces, not anything unrelated to it. You can't take the expenses from one activity and write them off against income from another.
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In this day of needing a release from every man and his dog .... do TV news crews even bother with this?
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I think that we will give this a go after we have bought our new cameras next month but I was hoping that there might be someone with real experience of selling stock footage who could give some tips. I am sure that not so long ago I saw a posting on DVInfo from someone who did shoot stock footage but I cannot find it now.
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Not that the expenses have to come from the same exact trip as the income you hope to write them off against, but from the same general business. You couldn't, for example, write off expenses from a location scouting trip against your restaurant business unless it had something to do with the restaurant. But that's why they have really creative accountants, I guess. Sometimes what's legal and what you can get away with are two different things. Of course, now that I think about it a little more, I suppose if you can demonstrate that this is a bona-fide business venture and not just a hobby (which the IRS is very strict about), you could take an operating loss which could be carried forward... have to talk to my accountant about this. But to get back to the original topic, this is a great idea and I'd be interested to hear how it works out for you. I'm also considering something along those lines. |
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To get a better handle on what releases are required, simply visit any stock footage website and browse their contributor area where they spell out their requirements on shot length, motion, quality, and releases. All the Best! |
True, but I'm amazed how finicky we get about blurring out anything that might possibly be a brand name.
Mythbusters are a classic at this, even blurring out something on the front of their "Mythbusters bible" (substituting for a real bible) in the episode where they were investigating whether coins / money / bibles etc were able to protect your life when you are getting stabbed. I prefer the end of the reality stick that the news crews work at. Andrew |
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That wouldn't necessarily prevent someone from suing you, if they find themselves in your video, if they had enought time or money, and it's probably not worth the hassle to fight them. They'd lose the case but you'd be out the time and money to fight it. Getting releases in a public place is more preventive, than anything else. Lately I have seen producers just put up a big sign that states video is being shot etc. Especially at concerts and festivals. |
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Nigel, as someone who makes part of my living selling underwater stock footage here's my suggestions;
1. iStock and most of the online services are ripoffs. Selling a 20 or 30 sec. clip for $30-$50 bucks a clip, of which you'll only see a small percentage, is not a workable business model. Selling stock footage creates some decent additional income for my business but it is sporadic and unpredictable. 2. Most decent stock houses take a 50/50 cut (some 60/40, others 40/60) and sell at rates from about $30 - $150 second depending upon the content. 3. Consider setting up your own stock site on your website. It gets easier every day. 4. Shoot at a minimum 1080i. 5. Most important. Find your niche. Everybody shoots video of everything so make sure that your images are of a unique activity, location, etc. and stand out because of their quality, composition, lighting, etc. |
Hi Nigel,
Norman Pogson is a member of this forum and has some great info on using the 7D and on stock photography, here is his link: Canon 7D | Norman Pogson Filmmaker Best regards, I think you are on the right track. Doug. |
Interesting discussion, and a very useful link from Doug.
I starting submitting clips to stock agencies, but lack of time, and a new computer that doesn't like mpeg-streamclip, put the whole idea on hold for a while - er, that's getting to be a long while now! I feel inspired to get back to it now. Thanks |
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Hi there, Rick, thanks for this very interesting information. I am considering doing some stock video and photography. That said, I have NO experience on the matter. A question to you about your point #2: Could you give some examples of decent stock houses? Are they willing to take someone who is just beginning? Or you have to be an experienced photographer/videographer such as yourself? A question/thought to all: Again, I have no experience on the matter but I just wonder what will be better in terms of revenue. A more 'decent' stock house or a widely known online house such as iStockphoto for example? It seems that nowadays the 'iTunes / AppStore concept' is working pretty well. As an example, you can get an amazing video game for .99 cents! Would you buy an old DS cartridge game for 15 bucks or an amazing new game for .99 cents? What I mean is, maybe it is worth to sale your stock at a more widely known online stock house and get 1 dollar commission per sale and 100 downloads (100 bucks) than 15 bucks commission but only 2 sales (30 bucks) from a more decent house. I do not know, just a thought... Any comments on this everyone? Thanks for any input. Fun discussion though... |
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Stock houses make money because they sell a great many clips on many, many different subjects - economies of scale. As an individual it is very difficult to have that sort of broad and productive library. You are only a very, very small slice of their footage inventory. As I mentioned in my first post I've spent nearly 20 years selling stock footage and it should always be considered as ancillary income. My stock footage library exists because I've collected footage during paying projects and/or worked a deal with the client to keep the raw footage and because I have a couple of unique subjects. Otherwise it would not be cost effective to collect footage or maintain a library. |
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Hi Rick, Well, it is not an assumption. I was just asking, that is why I used the word 'maybe'. I appreciate your input. It is very helpful specially coming form someone with your experience and caliber. But let me ask you (no assumptions, just a question to see what you think) about these big online stock places like iStock... For someone with your experience, contacts and talent your suggestion might work very well. But for some 'Joe Mozzarella' like myself with no experience whatsoever as a professional photographer: Do you think selling (or attempting to sale) your stock on a place like iStock could work better? Maybe that could work as a beginning and then switch to your suggestion a few years down the road when you get some experience and build your sample reel. In the meantime you can build your name a bit. What do you/you guys think? Best Regards Rick and you all!! |
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None of this is meant to be harsh. Selling stock is a business and this is how the business works. Everyone on the globe shoots video and stills now and posts them on Facebook, iStock, etc. It is harder than ever to rise above the noise created by millions of people posting images and video. That's why as I said in my last post your work must really stand out based on quality and subject. |
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Sure, I can name Yuri Arcurs: Yuri Arcurs - Home of the world's top selling microstock photographer YouTube - A Guided Tour in Yuri Arcurs' Photo Studio He has a name and it is internationally well recognized. I agree, your work MUST stand out to make a living out of it. We have probably billions of cameras around the globe. It is great to read from people like you with all the experience you have. Even though you might not be a big name (not yet, you never know really), you have a ton more experience than I do and it is very valuable to me to have a healthy discussion here at these forums. Best Regards Rick and thanks again for your wisdom... |
slight clarification on talent releases as I understand it (I'm not a lawyer).
News organizations have been exempt from all release rules as long as they are using the pictures in a current news environment and they cannot be defamatory. One exception is with minors. When have you seen children's faces in a school news story? You'll see backs of heads or feet and hands only. Another is hospitals with the stringent HIPA privacy rules. The rest of us cannot single out individuals or private property without permission. You can shoot crowds of people or cityscapes, but singling out a person in a crowd requires their permission. This leads to the area that is often neglected in stock photography, having people doing things. Most stock photography is of subjects that don't need releases. There are tons of that sort of generic stuff selling for peanuts. Getting talent to act in real scenes gets you a step above the crowd into shots that can make more than chump change. But it takes a lot more work to arrange the talent & the locations. And of course it needs to be high quality directing & photography shot on broadcast quality HD. Low budget HDV gets little respect any more. I was talking to a producer who needed a shot of a hearse. Could not find an acceptable one anywhere. But every hearse will likely have a funeral home logo on it. Doubtful any funeral home would give blanket permission to see their logo on who knows what video. They're a pretty conservative bunch. So you'd need a hearse without logos... |
The Problem with iStockphoto and the like
Here's a great article about iStockphoto and how it treats it's contributors;
iStockphotos ?Unsustainable? Business Model: From Crowd-Sourcing To Crowd-Shafting? » The Russian Photos Blog Perfect timing for this thread. |
... and I'm not all that surprised.
Interesting, though, that people thought they had hit the big time when iStockphoto was acquired by Getty. And this turns in to another illustration of why artists have traditionally starved over the ages. You don't purchase a business unless you feel that you can improve it by scaling it up to a greater level or being able to cut costs to achieve a greater profitability. Getty will have found out that the prospects for growth within the sector are limited, and thus the only way of increasing profit is to decrease their costs. Can't blame the professional photogs at all if they do a little gloating. Still, there's enough disaffected photographers to start their own microstock agency. Andrew |
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