Need help..
 

OK, this is the most general question ever but..

I've shot this musicvideo. Some of you may have seen it but they group didn't like the "video" look. So I need to get rid of that.

I need some help, mind that the video is already shot so we are talking post production here. I need all the tips and tricks to pull this off. The first and most obvius fast is that it was shot in Interlaced mode, and that gives it the smooth flowy video look.
I need to get rid of that.

I would recommend Twixtor, but you'd be looking at having to make cuts in the video anywhere the camera changes, and running the filter on those parts. Plus the render time is pretty long.

You can deinterlace the footage.
A widely known method is to:
->Import your footage twice into After Effects
->For each clip, Interpret Footage and set one to upper fields and the other to lower fields
->Set the opacity of the top layer to 50%

This should give you a pretty good deinterlace, which will look different than 60i.

A big thing to do in post is to adjust the color and contrast in some way using curves and tweaking saturation. I always give more contrast, to take away the hazy/grey look of video. Making a difference in color goes a long way.


You could maybe get away with using the Posterize Time filter, set to 24 fps, as long as it's done on scenes that don't have too much motion. (ie. don't use on quick camera pans, or you'll get strobing)

This, and just rendering out at 24 fps, is not really advisable, since there are no blending algorithms going on, but just dropped frames.


Hope this helps, dude.

I like the results I've been getting with DVFilm Maker. It's a very inexpensive standalone program that runs in the background on either the Mac or PC. Try downloading the free demo and see what you think...

I also 2nd DVFilm Maker. And just lowing the frames to 24fps makes a big diffrence. This would be an easy way out

Do you have the video uploaded so we can check it out?

<<<-- Originally posted by Boyd Ostroff : I like the results I've been getting with DVFilm Maker. It's a very inexpensive standalone program that runs in the background on either the Mac or PC. Try downloading the free demo and see what you think... -->>>

Boyd, could you explain a bit more how DVFilm Maker runs in the background? I would have thought, that you transfer DV to the hard drive, then run/render it through the DVFilm Maker app, and then, finally, the footage is ready for editing.

Running in real time, in the background as you edit sounds a bit taxing on the system's resources...

I haven't seriously used it this way, but did try and it continued to run while I did other things. Obviously you can't run it on the same file you're editing. You could certainly run it while surfing the net however. I do find it refreshing that this program is just a simple, barebones standalone application, only a couple hundred KB in size. How often do we see that in these days of "bloatware"?...

But basically I agree with you, while I'm editing I don't want to take a chance that some other program will cause a crash!

Thanks guys!
Very kind, I reeeeealy need this help.

They "ok:ed" the video over the web but when they saw it on TV they tought it looked too much video. Understandeble, but I need to fix it. I guess I have to filter like a maniac. I always tweak colors/contrast to get the "haze" out.

I'm going to try your tips and trix.

But as for now you can download the old version here.
http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/Glo...ur%20world.wmv

Notice that the "glow" are way to much on the compressed file.
It renders a lot less on a TV..

Boyd and/or Mark,

Have you read the book SHOOTING DIGITAL that's offered on the DVFilm website? If so, would you recommend it?

Thanks

Nice work Andreas. One of the better music videos I have seen shot "on" video.

Would you mind sharing your setup? Camera and NL software etc?

Sounds like stage music.

Well, It wasn't good enough. They thought it looked too much like video. *sob sob*

I shot the video on 4 days, 3 diffrent countries. No light (I wanted to but they wanted to cut short on the expenses) Yeah, don't ask!
My setup was 1 canon XL1s and a creative mind. Altough I have to admit, I'm not very fond of the music :) So making a video was quite hard. I edited it with vegas.. Took me about a week editing on and off..

The music I belive is intended for -15 and + 50 :)
Are there specific details you want to know I would be glad to share them with you!

And thank you for your feedback!

/Andreas

<<<-- Originally posted by Philip Boyer : Have you read the book SHOOTING DIGITAL that's offered on the DVFilm website? -->>>

No, just the excerpt here.

They want to keep it low budget, won't pay for lighting, AND want you to pull off a film look???

I feel bad for you. You delivered a great video. It looks top notch, and I assumed you had a reasonably decent budget to do it with. Knowing that you did it cheaply makes it even more impressive. Great work. If you want, tell the band to come talk to me, I'll put them in place for you. ;)

PS, not into the music at all, but the video was good enough I wanted to keep watching. And I think you got the age bracket wrong. Perhaps more like under 7 and over 70. :)

Haha, I guess your right Dylan. The fact that the music did not appeal to me made it extra hard. Atleast that's what I feel. This video is on the opposite from what I usually do.. I don't mean the opposite from what I do like that but the opposite from the usual musicvideo I would like to do. But I am young, nobody knows who I am.. I just wanted to get my name out there.. So they said they would get the video on air.. But now, we will have to wait and see what will happend. Their Agent told them the video did't cut it.. The fact that their agent cut it don't bother me much, You will have to live with that in this bussiness. But what bothers me is that I couln't deliver a music video that did cut it.. If you know what I mean?

Well, infact there was no budget. I agreed to to their video if they got people to see it. They did pay for my plane ticket, and travle expenses. But that was it.. And part of me did it because I need all the experiance I can get and I love making movies/video..

I'd have two things to tell them and the agent:
#1 If the agent doesn't want to use it, suggest you will involve your lawyer as they will in breech of your contract to do it for free, as the only thing you get out of it is getting your name out there. You did get a contract, right?

#2... Well, #2 isn't fit to say in public.

Wow I'm totally shocked. They don't want to pay anything, yet they want a 1 million dollar 35mm Music Video.

For a "Video" Music Video shot with one XL1 it looks super. But it doesn't matter if they didn't like it. You did it and you should of got paid but I understand if you also did it for the love. Because that is what I do. Right now you don't need the pressure with money if you are still gaining expirence.

I know one of these days though you will have a contract and will get paid for the hard work you do.

Well, I try to run my own business so I have to get paid. I just decided that this work could be worth more then money or gain me more money later on. Like an investment.

We did not write any contract. And even if we did, I wouln't bring it to the table. They are struggeling as I am. To bring negative things like that to the table don't help me (as I get lawyer fees) and it don't help them. We are disagreeing but the best we can do is to solve our problem together. They are willing to do this.

And before their agent put a halt on the video they actually got it to be shown to a Virgin Records representative (and they liked it very much) and to some very famous people in Sweden.

I wanted it to go to tv and perhaps it still can if I get it to look more like "film"


"Right now you don't need the pressure with money if you are still gaining expirence."

Aren't we all trying to gain expreiance all the time? Even if we are established and work with the tings we do? I always want to get better. (But I understand what you mean)

Thanks for the support though! It means much to me.

For what it's worth, I think i can understand why the agent would not want them seen... by anyone. Also for some reason i really thought that mentos was about to pop up but that's neither here nor there.. I think that (from the web version) it was shot superbly. very quality and toungue in cheek. I also got the feeling that this was a religious band and I imagine that would be a different kind of appeal then what's normal. To make it look less like video adjust your curves (see the article on it earlier) and deinterlace also and I hate saying this but toss in more cuts. Music video's on average unless they are really so don't linger on an image for much more then 3 seconds most ofg the time it's a 1/4 of that. try those changes if that doesn't work keep the attitude you have right now if anythign you've got a great little clip (though not music) for your reel.

Ney Nick,

Thanks for the comments, but I really don't understand what you are trying to say. I understand bit's and pices. But in general?

You liked it but you didn't?

Well, I felt that the only way to make justice of the video is to have those menthos near by:) That's what the band wanted (they did not ask for the menthos feeling but you know what I mean)

"Loads of fun, strong colors...."

I agree on the part that is needs more clips. But I can't.. First off I don't have more clips. (even though I shot 4 hours of tape) most of it is people do strange things in front of the camera. It was their first music video and I had to help them a lot on how to stand, how to behave. Only one of them had good camera apperance (the guy with the brown hair)

Exampels of strange things: Licking their mouth, correcting their boobs or other sensitive parts. Hair blowing infront of their face. People cracking up and starts to laugh while shooting. Even if it's just one person and very subtile I can't use it. They are very aware about their looks. If they don't look perfect, I has to go!

But I sure learnt a lot from doing this!
And I look forward to my next video!

If you like Nick, could you repost and explain in another way what you mean with your post?

/Andreas

So I've talked to the band now, They wanted a new video.

I agreed to make a new one for them... For FREE!
Either I'm out of my mind or I really want them to be pleased with what I do. So back to the drawing board!

I'll keep you guys posted here in this thread.

I hope you like this new video even better!

<<<-- Originally posted by Andreas Fernbrant : So I've talked to the band now, They wanted a new video.

I agreed to make a new one for them... For FREE!
-->>>

Sounds to me like you are getting taken advantage of.
I believe you delievered a great video (that I would probably charge in the $10,000 range to do) and they don't want it because they want more. If this is the case, tell them to pay you or find someone else to sucker.
I'd walk to a lawyer at this point and see if they could be sued for not completing the end of their bargain, displaying the video you made for free, which you agreed to do so you'd get some publicity.

Given the situation, I would NEVER, EEEEEVER work for them again. This is not how to run a business. You obviously have more talent than they do. Move on. If you are going to work for free, find a client that will contribute something back to you.

Hey all!

So I've started working on the new video.
The overall issue with the previous video was light.
So I've rerecorded some material in a studio with decent light.
But what do I do with a pure white video? These are my
suggestions. Please comment.

The video is just some takes and you shouldn't care too much about what the person is doing. Just the overall impression.

http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/test2.wmv
http://www.atamashi.com/glorious/test1.wmv

I am new to the DV world; but that video looked great. I'm feeling your pain in them wanting a 35mm look. I also agree with everyones take on the music. I almost couldn't stand listening to it. I almost considered just muting and watching images. I had to run to my CD player and put in SYSTEM OF A DOWN. Jeez.

Anyway, serious, it looked nice. A lil post tricks and you'll be stoked.

very well shot andy, nice music vid !!!!!

script fits the song

The scenes: white outfits on white clouds,.......less good idea, my opinion of course,
and scene sequence changes could have been more onto the beat... I think

How did you sync the sound from the studiorecording whilst filming, and what device did you use .....??

congrats dude, love it

jacko

Jacko; How did you sync the sound from the studiorecording whilst filming, and what device did you use .....??


I used a ordinary taperecorder. Played the song out loud.
In post I just aligned the song and the sound from tape togheter.
If the sound was to low to hear I'd just look at their lips and sync like that.

If you refer to the slowmotion singing. I made a CD with the song played at 200% (extreme slowmotion) and one version with the song played at 175% (less slowmotion) In post I just took the speed down to 50% and it would sync in Slowmotion to the song or 75% for less slowmotion. Worked like a charm. But the results didn't really show in the video. But one of the extreme slowmotion scenes are when the brown guy sings solo for the first time and puts his hand towards the camera.

Hope this was the answeryou where looking for?

Andreas sorry about the ealry post, sometimes I drink a couple of beers and then post on-line and while everything I say is genius ::ahem:: sarcasm ::ahem:: it's often not so easily understandable. So i'll try and clarify some what.

the curves I was referring to was in the article posted somewhere on here the website was this

http://www.geocities.com/pixelmagic2002/CineAlta2.html


by saying the agent wouldn't want them to be seen I was referring to the bands rather less then appealing look on video (or film... to put it nicely they are just umm.. what's the nice word for ugly?)

I just really felt like it was mentos commercial (a really well shot one, but a mentos commercial none the less.)

The cuts could just be quicker add some less then professional looks in there, to be honest they're kind of acting less then professional anyhow. As a horribly base rule if you're holding on a shot for more then 5 seconds in a music video that's at least 2 seconds two long. If you have 4 hours of footage I'm confident that you're creative enough (from seeing what you've done this far) to come up with some solution.

Either was you should keep a copy of the first video (the second didn't load so well for me, but what i saw I didn't enjoy as much) as a good clip for your demo reel.

Andreas, that was exactly what I wanted to know...

thx
and keep on going, you're doing just fine

cheers
Jacko

Nick,

you are just right, but the song isn't all that clubby nor a dance track neither, so cutting fast, wouldn't do much more to a weak kinda middle of the road song.
In fact Andreas made a good vid , with those amateurs, and free of cost.
I've seen lesser good ones from pro's, certainly no free goodies. LOL

definitely andreas did a good job (far better then I would've done-for free or being paid) but I was just trying to answer his question as to why the agent wouldn't want the thing played. Even being a middle of the road kind of song (and that's stretching it) I think that it would benefit from some more cutting, but hey I didn't make it.