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Lon Breedlove · May 10th, 2005, 11:05 AM

I have never tried this, and don't actually know if it would work, but a thought about creating a films look popped into my head last night.

Use a super 8 or 16mm camera and shoot just a still subject. i.e. a wall, or a sheet of paper. I would say, just shoot one roll of film, no need in wasting too much money!

Then transfer that to tape or dvd, or whatever, and import it into you NLE. Then drop the opacity of the film footage and 'super-impose' the film clip over the footage you shot with Mini DV.

Picure how I think this theory works: If you just shot a white piece of paper, you would still get the grain and little cigarette burns, etc of film, but then when you lower the opacity in the editing room, you would eliminate the visibility of the paper, yet keep the grain, etc.

Would this work?

Jon Laing · May 10th, 2005, 01:00 PM

My video instructor did the exact same thing for a commercial he shot. It most definatly works, however, film grain does little to get a "film look" out of video IMO.

Now it would be cool if you could use that same concept to mimic the spectrume of color, and lattitude, etc that film could deliver, not sure how you would pull that off, or if its possible... ill think about it.

Patrick King · May 10th, 2005, 01:05 PM

Or as the obverse to what you proposed, shoot your video, project it on the wall/screen, then shoot the 8 or 16mm film of the the projected video.

Josh Brusin · May 10th, 2005, 01:54 PM

I'd shoot hot pink paper and key it out...

Richard Alvarez · May 10th, 2005, 03:04 PM

Josh, I don't think it would be worth the trouble, and give you no better effect, with less controll then most of the commercially available "Film Grain" effects. Some of them will allow you to alter the size and sharpness of the random grain pattern that you put over your video. (And I've shot a LOT of super 8 film)

Aaron Dixon · May 12th, 2005, 02:04 PM

What's novel about that? It's a video to film transfer.

Josh Brusin · May 22nd, 2005, 11:15 AM

yeah.
I rendered out a bunch of film scratch from AE and have never used it.... the plug-ins are definitely good enough.

May 10th, 2005, 11:05 AM	#1
Lon Breedlove Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 40	Interesting Concept I have never tried this, and don't actually know if it would work, but a thought about creating a films look popped into my head last night. Use a super 8 or 16mm camera and shoot just a still subject. i.e. a wall, or a sheet of paper. I would say, just shoot one roll of film, no need in wasting too much money! Then transfer that to tape or dvd, or whatever, and import it into you NLE. Then drop the opacity of the film footage and 'super-impose' the film clip over the footage you shot with Mini DV. Picure how I think this theory works: If you just shot a white piece of paper, you would still get the grain and little cigarette burns, etc of film, but then when you lower the opacity in the editing room, you would eliminate the visibility of the paper, yet keep the grain, etc. Would this work?

May 10th, 2005, 01:00 PM	#2
Jon Laing Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wall, NJ Posts: 31	My video instructor did the exact same thing for a commercial he shot. It most definatly works, however, film grain does little to get a "film look" out of video IMO. Now it would be cool if you could use that same concept to mimic the spectrume of color, and lattitude, etc that film could deliver, not sure how you would pull that off, or if its possible... ill think about it. __________________ --Devereaux ]:-( ---> http://geocities.com/anarchist_lb

May 10th, 2005, 01:05 PM	#3
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	Or as the obverse to what you proposed, shoot your video, project it on the wall/screen, then shoot the 8 or 16mm film of the the projected video. __________________ Fear No Weevil!

May 10th, 2005, 01:54 PM	#4
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	I'd shoot hot pink paper and key it out...

May 10th, 2005, 03:04 PM	#5
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Josh, I don't think it would be worth the trouble, and give you no better effect, with less controll then most of the commercially available "Film Grain" effects. Some of them will allow you to alter the size and sharpness of the random grain pattern that you put over your video. (And I've shot a LOT of super 8 film)

May 12th, 2005, 02:04 PM	#6
Aaron Dixon New Boot Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: austin, tx Posts: 11	What's novel about that? It's a video to film transfer.

May 22nd, 2005, 11:15 AM	#7
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	yeah. I rendered out a bunch of film scratch from AE and have never used it.... the plug-ins are definitely good enough.