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Calvin Bellows · October 12th, 2011, 12:39 PM

Hi everyone. I have only shot videos in 1080i60 and 720p60 and want to try some 24p shooting. I know you have to move slower with 24p with pans and zooms and what not but how do they get aways with fast pans and what not when your watch movies? I know now they shoot at different rates and have different cameras but back when everything was on film they still do these fast moves which you think would blur at 24p. Any suggestions/ideas? Thanks.

Sareesh Sudhakaran · October 12th, 2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Calvin Bellows

I know now they shoot at different rates and have different cameras but back when everything was on film they still do these fast moves which you think would blur at 24p. Any suggestions/ideas? Thanks.

Film cameras don't have rolling shutter issues. (Rolling shutter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) - the fast pans that 'might' work on film might not be very pleasing on video. Why not conduct your own tests and see for yourself?

David Jimerson · November 3rd, 2011, 08:26 AM

Fast pans stutter and strobe just as much on 24 fps film as they do in 24p video (at comparable shutter speed). But professional cinematographers have learned how to work with the frame rate instead of against it.

For example, if they're panning quickly but keeping a moving person in the center of the frame, the background is strobing, but you don't notice because your attention is on the person. Because the person is relatively stationary, there's no strobe.

Watch this for yourself. Find a scene in a commercial movie where that happens and pay attention to the background.

Rolling shutters don't really play into this; they have different issues. And, of course, not every video camera has a rolling shutter.

Tim Polster · November 16th, 2011, 08:52 AM

Calvin, I am no 24p expert as I shoot a lot in 720p60 but the big thing for me is to not pan. I have noticed that 24p productions often move the camera itself, not rotate it. This framerate lends itself to relatively stationary shooting with a lot of cuts to different shots that cover a scene or story. Live action is not the strength of 24p if you need to follow a subject around.

October 12th, 2011, 12:39 PM	#1
Calvin Bellows Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 215	Wanting to try 24p Hi everyone. I have only shot videos in 1080i60 and 720p60 and want to try some 24p shooting. I know you have to move slower with 24p with pans and zooms and what not but how do they get aways with fast pans and what not when your watch movies? I know now they shoot at different rates and have different cameras but back when everything was on film they still do these fast moves which you think would blur at 24p. Any suggestions/ideas? Thanks. __________________ Calvin Bellows www.exposureproductions.ca

November 3rd, 2011, 08:26 AM	#3
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Re: Wanting to try 24p Fast pans stutter and strobe just as much on 24 fps film as they do in 24p video (at comparable shutter speed). But professional cinematographers have learned how to work with the frame rate instead of against it. For example, if they're panning quickly but keeping a moving person in the center of the frame, the background is strobing, but you don't notice because your attention is on the person. Because the person is relatively stationary, there's no strobe. Watch this for yourself. Find a scene in a commercial movie where that happens and pay attention to the background. Rolling shutters don't really play into this; they have different issues. And, of course, not every video camera has a rolling shutter. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

November 16th, 2011, 08:52 AM	#4
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Re: Wanting to try 24p Calvin, I am no 24p expert as I shoot a lot in 720p60 but the big thing for me is to not pan. I have noticed that 24p productions often move the camera itself, not rotate it. This framerate lends itself to relatively stationary shooting with a lot of cuts to different shots that cover a scene or story. Live action is not the strength of 24p if you need to follow a subject around.