"film like" slow mo

Reid Bailey · October 27th, 2005, 08:03 AM

Thanks Ben,

The demo clips look very smooth. I need to do one slow mo scene in my next project and this may be the ticket. The price is right too.

Steven Fokkinga · October 28th, 2005, 02:29 AM

So how does this program compare to twixtor and retimer? The price is phenomenal if it can do the same as those programs!

Vigna Raajan · October 28th, 2005, 06:02 AM

I just now tried the trial version of Motion perfect with 2 clips.
One interlaced clip and one progressive. For whatsoever reason the Progressive clip looks better than interlaced.

Its...
# awesome
# smooth
# affordable.

Thanks a bunch Ben.

Also, can anyone please eloborate the procedures to be followed while shooting a stunningly detailed slow-motion sequence in DV and what settings should I have in my Camera. Mine is a DVX - 102A (PAL). Thanks in advance.

Vigna Raajan.

David Morton · October 28th, 2005, 06:37 AM

Is that the same program as Motion perfect by Dynapel?

David

Bill Porter · October 30th, 2005, 11:41 AM

Thanks for posting, Ben W.

Yes, Gooder is just one of the many reseller sites for Dynapel's products.

You should have seen the old clips on Dynapel's site before they redid it (it was better before). I have them cached locally and will host them on FTP so you guys can see.

Edit: Looks like Gooder has a local version of the page from Dynapel's old site, here:

http://www.goodervideo.com/videos/MpVideos.html

Check out the race car vid if it works. Amazing. Let me know if it doesn't work, and I will host it.

The software is so cheap, like 17 euros.

James Llewellyn · November 3rd, 2005, 07:48 PM

The program looks like it uses a really nifty morph effect between the frames. I remember seeing something similiar using winmorph to recreate bullettime.

Mark Olsen · November 21st, 2005, 01:49 PM

Downloading the trial right now. Looking forward to seeing how this works!

Craig Seeman · November 22nd, 2005, 09:17 PM

Shots like that are EASY.

I use Boris Continuum Complete Optical Flow Filter. It's not hard for the filter when it's a single moving object with a solid background.

Try several moving objects that cross paths against a complex background. Settings for Optical Flow get REAL TRICKY then.

The shot he posted looks fine at default settings except for the speed itself.

Jim Rog · November 25th, 2005, 10:39 PM

Hello

What good plug-ins are available for vegas or stand alone that can give very slow motion? like this below

http://www.realviz.com/gallery/spec....=5&&product=rt

Thanks

Bill Porter · November 26th, 2005, 08:29 AM

Jim, MotionPerfect by Dynapel seems pretty awesome. Download the trial and see for yourself.

Jim Rog · November 26th, 2005, 04:45 PM

Hi

i looked at it but can’t get no real time preview can you?

Bill Porter · November 26th, 2005, 07:13 PM

http://www.goodervideo.com/products/MP.html

Try this reseller of it; they still are showing the old MotionPerfect clips from Dynapel's old site. I still don't know why Dynapel took them down; they are great examples. This one is 20:1 speed reduction:

http://www.shadowlabs.com/WebVideos/...n.20x.Race.avi

Mike Henderson · December 5th, 2005, 12:01 PM

I had tried out this software but it did not work for me and there isn't any contact info for the developer. What I am looking for is very similar to what is being displayed in the video of the "Rugby" team, it is the last option on this page:

http://www.goodervideo.com/videos/index.html

When I opened up the video of the rugby team, I believe it was using "quicktime" player so I tried out quicktime player but this did not do the trick so I am guessing that it was the combination of both the Gooder slomo software and quicktime that was producing those results but becuase I cannot contact the developer this is still a "guess".

Anyway, my son plays sports and I wanted to have this exact type of slomo control when veiwing his games which I record with a Canon digicam. I do not have much money to spend on expensive software so I am stuck. If anyone here can take a look at the link provided and download and try out the Rubgy video clip, just move the "play" slider as quick or as slow as you may want to to the left or right and you will see that you can control the slomo in the same way that the NFL or NBA does, this is simply what I am looking for. I wish to control my son's game film in "smooth" slomo by dragging the slider at whatever speed I wish.

Can anyone shed any light on that Gooder video or recommend any other software that does it like this please? Thanks.

Ben Winter · December 5th, 2005, 12:40 PM

That means controlling the derivative of velocity: acceleration. Sorry to get all "mathy" on you but that's what first jumped into my mind, controlling the slope of the tangent to the graph of how fast the clip would play. I don't think MotionPerfect does that at all; you would want to use the Time graph settings in FCP or something similar to that. Look for some kind of "acceleration" control for video clips, maybe that's what you're looking for. Otherwise, look for an NLE-integratable plugin like MotionPerfect that has keyframmable controls.

Mike Henderson · December 5th, 2005, 12:44 PM

well Ben, I really don't fully understand what you wrote but I will do some searching and look into what you've told me, if I could contact whoever did that particular Rugby video slomo, I would have all my answers, appreciate the help Ben, will report back here if I find anyhting, thanks.

November 21st, 2005, 01:49 PM	#22
Mark Olsen New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Location: Odense, Denmark Posts: 23	Downloading the trial right now. Looking forward to seeing how this works! __________________ Carpe Noctem

December 5th, 2005, 12:40 PM	#29
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	That means controlling the derivative of velocity: acceleration. Sorry to get all "mathy" on you but that's what first jumped into my mind, controlling the slope of the tangent to the graph of how fast the clip would play. I don't think MotionPerfect does that at all; you would want to use the Time graph settings in FCP or something similar to that. Look for some kind of "acceleration" control for video clips, maybe that's what you're looking for. Otherwise, look for an NLE-integratable plugin like MotionPerfect that has keyframmable controls. __________________ BenWinter.com

October 27th, 2005, 08:03 AM	#16
Reid Bailey Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 220	Thanks Ben, The demo clips look very smooth. I need to do one slow mo scene in my next project and this may be the ticket. The price is right too.

October 28th, 2005, 02:29 AM	#17
Steven Fokkinga Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204	So how does this program compare to twixtor and retimer? The price is phenomenal if it can do the same as those programs!

October 28th, 2005, 06:02 AM	#18
Vigna Raajan New Boot Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11	I just now tried the trial version of Motion perfect with 2 clips. One interlaced clip and one progressive. For whatsoever reason the Progressive clip looks better than interlaced. Its... # awesome # smooth # affordable. Thanks a bunch Ben. Also, can anyone please eloborate the procedures to be followed while shooting a stunningly detailed slow-motion sequence in DV and what settings should I have in my Camera. Mine is a DVX - 102A (PAL). Thanks in advance. Vigna Raajan.

October 28th, 2005, 06:37 AM	#19
David Morton Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N. Ireland Posts: 36	Is that the same program as Motion perfect by Dynapel? David

October 30th, 2005, 11:41 AM	#20
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	Thanks for posting, Ben W. Yes, Gooder is just one of the many reseller sites for Dynapel's products. You should have seen the old clips on Dynapel's site before they redid it (it was better before). I have them cached locally and will host them on FTP so you guys can see. Edit: Looks like Gooder has a local version of the page from Dynapel's old site, here: http://www.goodervideo.com/videos/MpVideos.html Check out the race car vid if it works. Amazing. Let me know if it doesn't work, and I will host it. The software is so cheap, like 17 euros.

November 3rd, 2005, 07:48 PM	#21
James Llewellyn Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 80	The program looks like it uses a really nifty morph effect between the frames. I remember seeing something similiar using winmorph to recreate bullettime.

November 22nd, 2005, 09:17 PM	#23
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Shots like that are EASY. I use Boris Continuum Complete Optical Flow Filter. It's not hard for the filter when it's a single moving object with a solid background. Try several moving objects that cross paths against a complex background. Settings for Optical Flow get REAL TRICKY then. The shot he posted looks fine at default settings except for the speed itself.

November 25th, 2005, 10:39 PM	#24
Jim Rog Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PAL Zone Posts: 188	Hello What good plug-ins are available for vegas or stand alone that can give very slow motion? like this below http://www.realviz.com/gallery/spec....=5&&product=rt Thanks

November 26th, 2005, 08:29 AM	#25
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	Jim, MotionPerfect by Dynapel seems pretty awesome. Download the trial and see for yourself.

November 26th, 2005, 04:45 PM	#26
Jim Rog Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: PAL Zone Posts: 188	Hi i looked at it but can’t get no real time preview can you?

November 26th, 2005, 07:13 PM	#27
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	http://www.goodervideo.com/products/MP.html Try this reseller of it; they still are showing the old MotionPerfect clips from Dynapel's old site. I still don't know why Dynapel took them down; they are great examples. This one is 20:1 speed reduction: http://www.shadowlabs.com/WebVideos/...n.20x.Race.avi

December 5th, 2005, 12:01 PM	#28
Mike Henderson New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16	I had tried out this software but it did not work for me and there isn't any contact info for the developer. What I am looking for is very similar to what is being displayed in the video of the "Rugby" team, it is the last option on this page: http://www.goodervideo.com/videos/index.html When I opened up the video of the rugby team, I believe it was using "quicktime" player so I tried out quicktime player but this did not do the trick so I am guessing that it was the combination of both the Gooder slomo software and quicktime that was producing those results but becuase I cannot contact the developer this is still a "guess". Anyway, my son plays sports and I wanted to have this exact type of slomo control when veiwing his games which I record with a Canon digicam. I do not have much money to spend on expensive software so I am stuck. If anyone here can take a look at the link provided and download and try out the Rubgy video clip, just move the "play" slider as quick or as slow as you may want to to the left or right and you will see that you can control the slomo in the same way that the NFL or NBA does, this is simply what I am looking for. I wish to control my son's game film in "smooth" slomo by dragging the slider at whatever speed I wish. Can anyone shed any light on that Gooder video or recommend any other software that does it like this please? Thanks.

December 5th, 2005, 12:44 PM	#30
Mike Henderson New Boot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16	well Ben, I really don't fully understand what you wrote but I will do some searching and look into what you've told me, if I could contact whoever did that particular Rugby video slomo, I would have all my answers, appreciate the help Ben, will report back here if I find anyhting, thanks.