I'm new, but I wrote a Film Look tutorial. at DVinfo.net

Daniel Broadway · January 27th, 2003, 01:19 PM

Hey guys. This is my first post. I am a active member of the Star Wars fanfilm community. We over at theforce.net have been trying to come up with ways to get the ulitmate film look for video footage. So after taking in all the different ideas and trying them out, I complied all that information into one tutorial for film looking footage. I call it the CineAlta tutorial because that is the type of cameras George Lucas used on Episode II. Anyway, just use this tutorial as a starting point for film looking footage. Also, I'd like any comments or suggestions on possible improving anything about the tutorial. Thank you.

http://www.geocities.com/pixelmagic2002/CineAlta1.html

You will find the link to the two different parts at the bottom of the introduction page linked above.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 27th, 2003, 01:30 PM

If anyone has trouble accessing the above link, it's because some bad html sneaked in. Try http://www.geocities.com/pixelmagic2002/CineAlta1.html.

Thanks for the tutorial, Daniel. Are you at Iowa State?

Daniel Broadway · January 27th, 2003, 02:00 PM

Thanks Robert. I fixed the link. No, I don't go to Iowa State.

Jeff Donald · January 28th, 2003, 08:10 AM

Daniel, excellant overview. Your section on depth of field (DOF) is inaccurate. This article on DV Info should help. If you have questions concerning DOF please post them here.

Chris Hurd · January 28th, 2003, 08:32 AM

Hi Daniel,

This is a nice article, I especially like your section on color timing.

I would like to give your article a home on dvinfo.net, in our Cinematic Attributes from Digital Video section. Of course there would be a link back to your original location and I would need a short bio about you.

The only thing is, two small inaccuracies would need to be edited or perhaps just simply removed: "...try to shoot with a shallow depth of field by keeping the iris open as wide as possible" and "...to control depth of field, take the camera as far back as you can, then zoom into the subject." For more info, see Ultimate Jeff Donald's Depth-of-Field Skinny at http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php

Let me know, as I'd like to put this online as soon as possible. Great job, Daniel!

Daniel Broadway · January 29th, 2003, 04:46 PM

Hey Chris. You are welcome to put my tutorial up on your site. Where is the Cinematic section. I'm new to this site, and I don't know how to find anything. Yep, I'm stupid. Take it for what it's worth. But you can edit or do whatever you want with my tutorial.

Wayne Orr · January 30th, 2003, 10:47 AM

Very interesting Daniel. I am curious as to how you see the workflow for, say, a ninety minute project using your process. How would you edit, then do your motion, color correction techniques?

Daniel Broadway · January 30th, 2003, 12:34 PM

Well, the motion part of the tutorial would have to be done BEFORE you edit. And you would have to edit the color correction on a shot to shot basis anyway. It would take a while, but worth it I think.

Robert Poulton · January 30th, 2003, 05:29 PM

Why would you have to do the motion enhancement before the edit?

Thx for the great tutorial.

Rob

Daniel Broadway · January 30th, 2003, 07:29 PM

Well, if you edit the interlaced signal, then you don't have to do it before the edit. However, if you de-interlace your footage, then edit it, you cannot apply the motion technique after the fact.

Chris Hurd · January 31st, 2003, 12:23 AM

Thanks Daniel, see http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/index.php -- it will go in the Cinematic Attributes from Digital Video section. I'm in New York at a tradeshow right now but will add it very soon. Thanks again,

Chris Hurd · April 4th, 2003, 10:22 AM

Finally they're up... see:

http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway1.php
http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway2.php

Thanks,

Daniel Broadway · April 4th, 2003, 01:17 PM

That's very good Chris, thank you. But to my embarrasment, I have since learned a few things that in my tutorial are inaccurate. I accidently wrote that you should close your iris down for shallow depth of field, when I meant to put OPEN your iris up. Also, the resulting motion blur from this technique is actually 1/40th of a second, not 1/30th, just a couple of minor details.

Chris Hurd · April 4th, 2003, 01:26 PM

Okay Daniel, I corrected that page, you might want to look over it and make sure I did the right things. Thanks again,

Daniel Broadway · April 4th, 2003, 01:35 PM

Much better Chris, but below the right hand picture it needs to read 1/40th instead of 1/48th like before. But, I don't know that it makes much difference.

January 27th, 2003, 01:19 PM	#1
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	I'm new, but I wrote a Film Look tutorial. Hey guys. This is my first post. I am a active member of the Star Wars fanfilm community. We over at theforce.net have been trying to come up with ways to get the ulitmate film look for video footage. So after taking in all the different ideas and trying them out, I complied all that information into one tutorial for film looking footage. I call it the CineAlta tutorial because that is the type of cameras George Lucas used on Episode II. Anyway, just use this tutorial as a starting point for film looking footage. Also, I'd like any comments or suggestions on possible improving anything about the tutorial. Thank you. http://www.geocities.com/pixelmagic2002/CineAlta1.html You will find the link to the two different parts at the bottom of the introduction page linked above.

January 27th, 2003, 01:30 PM	#2
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	If anyone has trouble accessing the above link, it's because some bad html sneaked in. Try http://www.geocities.com/pixelmagic2002/CineAlta1.html. Thanks for the tutorial, Daniel. Are you at Iowa State? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 28th, 2003, 08:10 AM	#4
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Daniel, excellant overview. Your section on depth of field (DOF) is inaccurate. This article on DV Info should help. If you have questions concerning DOF please post them here. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 28th, 2003, 08:32 AM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Hi Daniel, This is a nice article, I especially like your section on color timing. I would like to give your article a home on dvinfo.net, in our Cinematic Attributes from Digital Video section. Of course there would be a link back to your original location and I would need a short bio about you. The only thing is, two small inaccuracies would need to be edited or perhaps just simply removed: "...try to shoot with a shallow depth of field by keeping the iris open as wide as possible" and "...to control depth of field, take the camera as far back as you can, then zoom into the subject." For more info, see Ultimate Jeff Donald's Depth-of-Field Skinny at http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/optics/dofskinny.php Let me know, as I'd like to put this online as soon as possible. Great job, Daniel! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 30th, 2003, 10:47 AM	#7
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	Very interesting Daniel. I am curious as to how you see the workflow for, say, a ninety minute project using your process. How would you edit, then do your motion, color correction techniques? __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

January 27th, 2003, 02:00 PM	#3
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Thanks Robert. I fixed the link. No, I don't go to Iowa State.

January 29th, 2003, 04:46 PM	#6
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Hey Chris. You are welcome to put my tutorial up on your site. Where is the Cinematic section. I'm new to this site, and I don't know how to find anything. Yep, I'm stupid. Take it for what it's worth. But you can edit or do whatever you want with my tutorial.

January 30th, 2003, 12:34 PM	#8
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Well, the motion part of the tutorial would have to be done BEFORE you edit. And you would have to edit the color correction on a shot to shot basis anyway. It would take a while, but worth it I think.

January 30th, 2003, 05:29 PM	#9
Robert Poulton Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 245	Why would you have to do the motion enhancement before the edit? Thx for the great tutorial. Rob

January 30th, 2003, 07:29 PM	#10
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Well, if you edit the interlaced signal, then you don't have to do it before the edit. However, if you de-interlace your footage, then edit it, you cannot apply the motion technique after the fact.

January 31st, 2003, 12:23 AM	#11
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Thanks Daniel, see http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/index.php -- it will go in the Cinematic Attributes from Digital Video section. I'm in New York at a tradeshow right now but will add it very soon. Thanks again, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 4th, 2003, 10:22 AM	#12
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Finally they're up... see: http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway1.php http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway2.php Thanks, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 4th, 2003, 01:17 PM	#13
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	That's very good Chris, thank you. But to my embarrasment, I have since learned a few things that in my tutorial are inaccurate. I accidently wrote that you should close your iris down for shallow depth of field, when I meant to put OPEN your iris up. Also, the resulting motion blur from this technique is actually 1/40th of a second, not 1/30th, just a couple of minor details.

April 4th, 2003, 01:26 PM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Okay Daniel, I corrected that page, you might want to look over it and make sure I did the right things. Thanks again, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

April 4th, 2003, 01:35 PM	#15
Daniel Broadway Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 165	Much better Chris, but below the right hand picture it needs to read 1/40th instead of 1/48th like before. But, I don't know that it makes much difference.