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Dennis Hingsberg May 23rd, 2006 07:46 PM

Best video 'film look' sample
 
Many of us have strived for this. Some of us using 60i others 24p or PAL, some with 35mm lenses and some without...

Question is, what's the best video to "film look" sample you've seen either online or on video release?

I don't know what camera or process was used but the best I've seen was the film '9 Songs' but it was a film transfer. The worst I've seen was the film Open water... just looked like video to me but also I believe it was shot 60i on SonyVX2000 or PD150.

Rob Gregory-Browne May 24th, 2006 06:26 PM

I think Once Upon a Time in Mexico looks great, which isn't surprising, considering the hardware involved. Spy Kids 2 as well.

For low budget, the short film Broken looks good. Also, Sundowners looks very nice, very rich. I think it's been discussed in the Gl1 forum.

Marc Colemont has some great HDV concert footage using CinemantiQ, also somewhere on this forum.

Dennis Hingsberg May 24th, 2006 07:56 PM

Yeah I have to agree that for low budget, "Broken" probably is the best I've seen. All shot raw in camera with the DVX100 and corrected in post... real nice.

I'll have to check out 'Once upon a time in Mexico'.. .

David Tamés May 24th, 2006 09:29 PM

Eric Latek's documentary Sweet Dreams was shot with the Panasonic DVX100A and many of the scenes, especially the big boxing match sequence in the movie, provides several examples of "the film look" in action. The look Latek achieves in the boxing match sequence I'm thinking of (there are some pieces of it in the middle of the trailer available on the film's web site) is the result of many factors all coming together: shooting in 24P, the DVX "look," creative color-correction, framing, shutter speed, camera movement, editing, lighting, exposure, etc. The visual "look" is only one of many components that combine together to make up "the film look." I've seen some of the footage from this film projected in 720P with a JVC D-ILA projector and the look of that boxing match was scrumptiously film like.

Mathieu Ghekiere May 25th, 2006 11:54 AM

See the movie 'Me and You and Everyone we know' ...
good movie, great image (and it's HD)

Rob Gregory-Browne May 26th, 2006 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Tames
Eric Latek's documentary Sweet Dreams was shot with the Panasonic DVX100A and many of the scenes, especially the big boxing match sequence in the movie, provides several examples of "the film look" in action.

I took a look and while I was intrigued by the premise of the movie and think it's shot well -- very well -- I don't think it looks particularly filmlike. Even the boxing sequences.

Doesn't matter, though. It's a documentary. Looks like a good one, too.

David Tamés May 29th, 2006 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathieu Ghekiere
See the movie 'Me and You and Everyone we know' good movie, great image (and it's HD)

That's a particularly good example not in terms of "looking like a million bucks" kind of "film look" but rather it had an "indie-film" film look. I was impressed because it was several scenes into the movie before I realized it had been shot in HD rather than film (exterior highlights continue to be a dead giveaway), the HD digital materials had been, I would assume, recorded to a camera stock rather than an intermediate (very-fine-grain), giving what I saw some nice grain structure that had me going for a little bit, it had that "shot in Super16" look of so many indie films, I liked that about it.

Laszlo Bodo May 29th, 2006 04:25 PM

I guess the following has a nice film-look.
www.videoreklame.no/kunder/sandvika

Juan Parra May 31st, 2006 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Tames
Eric Latek's documentary Sweet Dreams was shot with the Panasonic DVX100A and many of the scenes, especially the big boxing match sequence in the movie, provides several examples of "the film look" in action.

It looks very videoish to me. Plus the encoding is not de-interlaced.

Lazlo's suggestion looks very filmlike...of course it lacks detail
and latitude but its exposure and color are on target.

Ernesto Llano May 31st, 2006 04:43 PM

the short "The Beautiful Life", directed by Joshua Caldwell has a great film look. It was shot on an XL2 at 24p with a Mini35 adapter.

Trailer: http://www.meydenbauerentertainment.com/film1.html

Entire short (23 mins, 270MB): http://www.meydenbauerentertainment....tiful_Life.mov

Laszlo Bodo June 2nd, 2006 07:44 AM

What about this one?
www.videoreklame.no/kunder/gondola

Bob Benkosky June 2nd, 2006 12:53 PM

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...=787277613&n=2

First 5 min of my movie. Tried to show it elsewhere but i think it got deleted for some reason.

This is 24p in the end. It certainly doesn't look like video to me. Perhaps not true film, but not crappy video. The audio is in 5.1 and it's best to hear it in 5.1 if you got the speakers.

Juan Parra June 2nd, 2006 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo Bodo

not quite. the handheld *video* camera doesn't allow me
to see it as filmlook, but the color and exposure do.

Eric Brown June 2nd, 2006 11:23 PM

http://www.wassuprockers.net/ The small QT clips don't do it justice as nicely as the big screen. I've become a true believer of the XL2's capabilities in the right hand after seeing this on the big screen.

Bob Benkosky June 3rd, 2006 01:24 AM

Larry Clark creeps me out. He always wants to do films with young people having sex. Why not just go into porn then?

Watch Ken Park, you'll know what I mean. Even Teenage Caveman had tons of sex.

Eric Brown June 5th, 2006 07:06 PM

Were talking about XL2 footage here, not his subject matter and since I don't know the man I'll decline to comment directly.

Sean J. Manning June 16th, 2006 01:14 PM

hahahaha, i never would have guessed a 62 year old guy would have had the idea to make a romeo/juliet teen skateboard movie involving off limit 16 year old white girls.

Yasser Kassana June 21st, 2006 05:45 AM

Anything by Macgregor meets the 'film look'. Check his movie Similo, shot on dvx.

Riley Harmon June 21st, 2006 09:56 AM

stock vx2000 www.rileyharmon.com/temp/sky_replacement.mov

Don Donatello June 21st, 2006 01:09 PM

the best looking i've seen :

The Fast Runner ..shot on NTSC digibeta
http://atanarjuat.com/index1.html

The King is Alive ..shot in PAL either on sony 900 or 1000
http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movie...ml?v_id=201766

Marcus Marchesseault June 22nd, 2006 04:09 AM

Riley, tell us how you did the sky replacement! I demand an explanation! :) I like the look overall. I think the ability to properly expose the foreground without worrying about the sky really would help video tremendously. The only place there was an obvious problem was the cowboy hat. It is too transparent as it passes by the sky.

Don, I really like the look of The King is Alive. I think it had me fooled. Atanarjuat looks good, but it is not a big deal to let a white background blow out since it doesn't have much detail anyway. This disguised the highlights which gives away the source being video. I bet they saved a bunch of money on the cost of reflectors with all that snow around! They also seemed to take advantage of "golden hour" quite a bit which helped tremendously. Of course, that far north there is golden hour for quite a long time in the summer. :)

Both of these movies illustrate how important proper exposure is with video. The lack of exposure latitude is video's biggest flaw, but the cinematographer can compensate by careful choice of lighting situations.

Tim Johnson June 22nd, 2006 10:33 AM

riley is it HDR or exposure blending? or is the sky computer generated?

Glenn Chan June 22nd, 2006 09:27 PM

Riley, how did you have leaves in front of the sky? (at the very beginning of that clip)

Knowing what I know, leaves like that would be a huge PITA.

2- Would you have a before/after clip?

Riley Harmon June 22nd, 2006 10:20 PM

refresh the link, i have a before and after now

oh oh its magic, you know

Rob Gregory-Browne June 23rd, 2006 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Chan
Riley, how did you have leaves in front of the sky? (at the very beginning of that clip)

Knowing what I know, leaves like that would be a huge PITA.

2- Would you have a before/after clip?

Since Riley seems to dislike sharing his secrets, I'd venture a guess and say that the plants at the beginning of the clip are an overlay added after the fact. It's a nice touch to add realism to the shot.

Riley Harmon June 23rd, 2006 12:15 AM

nope, they be real, ill upload raw, no hdr just good knowledge of CC, www.rileyharmon.com/temp/raw.mov

compositer/vfx/animator/consultant/etc/jack of all trades dsfajdsfjsd for hire :-)

Rob Gregory-Browne June 23rd, 2006 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon
nope, they be real, ill upload raw, no hdr just good knowledge of CC, www.rileyharmon.com/temp/raw.mov

compositer/vfx/animator/consultant/etc/jack of all trades dsfajdsfjsd for hire :-)

Well, then, since this is SUPPOSED to be a board about sharing ideas and methods (at least that's the way I've always understood it), why not spill?

Riley Harmon June 23rd, 2006 12:50 AM

i will tomorrow, so tired right now to type up ;-) night night

Tim Johnson June 23rd, 2006 02:39 PM

theres only a couple of things it can be:

hdr, shadow/highlight adjustment, an ndgrad filter or some kind of mask for brightening up the lower area (judging by rileys like of artificial dof, im gonna go with this one).

Riley Harmon June 23rd, 2006 02:47 PM

first, i took the original footage, converted to bw and did a level adjustment to make it pure black and white, since the sky has the highest luminance values, it became white and the rest black, so It became quick high quality matte, i then used that as a luma track matte, i used several duplicate copies of layers to soften up some edges with different gaussian blurs and blending modes, i also had to use a couple duplicate layers of the raw footage to get those leaves in, i used some feathered bezier masks as garbage masks on a few layers, match move tracking to get the sky to move with camera, final levels adjustment over all layers with levels and magic bullet with a sky lens gradient

the actual sky is a high rez image

im working on a shot with the same lake putting a harbor in, this is all for a historical docudrama im working on

Tim Johnson June 23rd, 2006 03:10 PM

ah so basically its a mask created from the original image? very nice

Riley Harmon June 23rd, 2006 06:03 PM

http://www.rileyharmon.com/temp/harbor_creation.mov

Ernesto Llano June 23rd, 2006 10:19 PM

Wow. That was very impressive.

Where do you get the footage that you composite in?
What software do you use?
How do you choose the locations you use?

Basically, how did you do that?

This is the kind of thing that could make DV features be up to par with film features.

Ernesto.

Riley Harmon June 23rd, 2006 10:32 PM

location is on set for a ranch of a docu-drama i am working on as a second unit steadi cam and post production / vfx

all stills except for the raw footage

after effects

Ernesto Llano June 23rd, 2006 11:22 PM

Very nice. How did you do the smoke from the ship and the lightning in the cloud?

Tim Johnson June 24th, 2006 07:01 AM

looks like dodging to me in photoshop, or something of the sort

Riley Harmon June 24th, 2006 10:39 AM

stock footage of smoke screened and multiplied blending modes

Ernesto Llano June 24th, 2006 11:45 AM

I have a question though, how did you do the masking while you were panning? Did you make a new mask for each frame?

Riley Harmon June 25th, 2006 02:27 AM

http://rileyharmon.com/wordpress/?p=53 new one added, "storm creation"

Mike Kim June 25th, 2006 11:44 AM

Your footage is amazing. Thanks a lot for sharing, as well as your responses to our questions. :)


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