What is the best looking 60i to 24p conversion software out there? at DVinfo.net

James A. Davis · October 10th, 2006, 08:08 AM

Is it Magic Bullet? Is it Vegas? Is it DVFilmmaker? This topic has been brought up before but what is the definitive answer by those who have used all of the different 24p conversion programs. Which one looks the closest to a true 24p camera?

Ben Winter · October 10th, 2006, 09:55 AM

I've tried all except Magic Bullet and I love DVFilm Maker a lot. The conversion is fast and you hardly lose any resolution. That, and it's not even expensive! You can see an 18-second sample clip here:

http://blog.thelifeguardmovie.com/up...poolshoot1.wmv

And a collage of sample clips from the same movie here:

http://www.frozenphoenixproductions....estHD_480p.mov

This is Sony FX1 footage 60i to 24p.

John C. Chu · October 10th, 2006, 10:01 AM

I love DVFilmmaker...and on a PowerMac G5---it positively flies.
[Make sure you get all the free latest updates].

You can download a fully working demo to try out[it just watermarks your footage] but I think you'll be very pleased with the results.

You can also "letterbox" or crop your footage if desired---but if you are processing anamorphic footage--leave setttings off.

My home movies of my nieces have never looked this good :-)

Riley Harmon · October 10th, 2006, 11:51 AM

mpeg stream clip, free

James A. Davis · October 10th, 2006, 01:23 PM

I have DVFilmmaker already and it does a great job. I just wanted to know from someone whos used other conversion software as well as Filmmaker.

Ali Husain · October 11th, 2006, 04:53 AM

sony vegas with a supersampling envelope set to 2. it looks MUCH better than w/no envelope. the test on the website above didnt' do this for the vegas runs.

Steven Bills · October 25th, 2006, 04:19 PM

How do you apply a supersampling envelope in Vegas 7?

Alex Thames · October 31st, 2006, 05:38 PM

What is supersampling?

Bennis Hahn · October 31st, 2006, 06:46 PM

to set the envelope, press ctrl+shift+b to display the video bus track and then right-click the track and insert>envelope>video super-sampling

Phil Bloom · November 1st, 2006, 04:47 AM

depends on what platform you have...

Nattress plug in for FCP yields lovely results...

On Avid I have found Speedramp by 3prong to be exceptional.

Both the above do a lovely smart blend to minimize those jagged edges.

Joshua Provost · November 8th, 2006, 02:26 PM

Their methodology was to use default settings on all the products. They didn't tweak each one to get the best results possible.

Check out some of my previous posts on the topic (here and here). Magic Bullet produces some great stills, but there other factors to consider. Vegas does a surprisingly good job, but it's a full interpolation, so it may come out very smooth, but a bit soft (and can produce double/triple images if you don't use just the right settings). Maker takes the simplest and fastest approach of all of the products.

Frank Ladner · November 15th, 2006, 11:10 AM

James - I also wanted to mention some tools by http://www.revisionfx.com/.

Twixtor and FieldsKit for After Effects are both excellent. I have done many 60i to 24p conversion with them.

I have a sample here:

http://70.147.193.182:81/mwtest/

The file is "MicrowaxAdapter_shot_02_24p_720x480.avi"

This was from back when I was experimenting with 35mm microwax adapters, so the 720x480 footage had to be uncompressed, per the requirements of other adapter builders. :) It's a LARGE file on a slow DSL upstream, so it may take a bit to download.

Shot on a Canon GL2 in frame mode and converted with Twixtor to 24p.

October 10th, 2006, 08:08 AM	#1
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	What is the best looking 60i to 24p conversion software out there? Is it Magic Bullet? Is it Vegas? Is it DVFilmmaker? This topic has been brought up before but what is the definitive answer by those who have used all of the different 24p conversion programs. Which one looks the closest to a true 24p camera?

October 10th, 2006, 09:55 AM	#2
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	I've tried all except Magic Bullet and I love DVFilm Maker a lot. The conversion is fast and you hardly lose any resolution. That, and it's not even expensive! You can see an 18-second sample clip here: http://blog.thelifeguardmovie.com/up...poolshoot1.wmv And a collage of sample clips from the same movie here: http://www.frozenphoenixproductions....estHD_480p.mov This is Sony FX1 footage 60i to 24p. __________________ BenWinter.com

October 10th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#5
James A. Davis Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 90	I already have DV Filmmaker I have DVFilmmaker already and it does a great job. I just wanted to know from someone whos used other conversion software as well as Filmmaker.

November 1st, 2006, 04:47 AM	#10
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	depends on what platform you have... Nattress plug in for FCP yields lovely results... On Avid I have found Speedramp by 3prong to be exceptional. Both the above do a lovely smart blend to minimize those jagged edges. __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

November 8th, 2006, 02:26 PM	#11
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Their methodology was to use default settings on all the products. They didn't tweak each one to get the best results possible. Check out some of my previous posts on the topic (here and here). Magic Bullet produces some great stills, but there other factors to consider. Vegas does a surprisingly good job, but it's a full interpolation, so it may come out very smooth, but a bit soft (and can produce double/triple images if you don't use just the right settings). Maker takes the simplest and fastest approach of all of the products. __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

October 10th, 2006, 10:01 AM	#3
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	I love DVFilmmaker...and on a PowerMac G5---it positively flies. [Make sure you get all the free latest updates]. You can download a fully working demo to try out[it just watermarks your footage] but I think you'll be very pleased with the results. You can also "letterbox" or crop your footage if desired---but if you are processing anamorphic footage--leave setttings off. My home movies of my nieces have never looked this good :-)

October 10th, 2006, 11:51 AM	#4
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	mpeg stream clip, free

October 11th, 2006, 04:53 AM	#6
Ali Husain Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 141	sony vegas with a supersampling envelope set to 2. it looks MUCH better than w/no envelope. the test on the website above didnt' do this for the vegas runs.

October 25th, 2006, 04:19 PM	#7
Steven Bills Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vineyard, Utah Posts: 192	How do you apply a supersampling envelope in Vegas 7?

October 31st, 2006, 05:38 PM	#8
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	What is supersampling?

October 31st, 2006, 06:46 PM	#9
Bennis Hahn Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 221	to set the envelope, press ctrl+shift+b to display the video bus track and then right-click the track and insert>envelope>video super-sampling

November 15th, 2006, 11:10 AM	#12
Frank Ladner Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Poplarville, MS Posts: 453	James - I also wanted to mention some tools by http://www.revisionfx.com/. Twixtor and FieldsKit for After Effects are both excellent. I have done many 60i to 24p conversion with them. I have a sample here: http://70.147.193.182:81/mwtest/ The file is "MicrowaxAdapter_shot_02_24p_720x480.avi" This was from back when I was experimenting with 35mm microwax adapters, so the 720x480 footage had to be uncompressed, per the requirements of other adapter builders. :) It's a LARGE file on a slow DSL upstream, so it may take a bit to download. Shot on a Canon GL2 in frame mode and converted with Twixtor to 24p.