Shaking on purpose at DVinfo.net

Steven Davis · November 6th, 2015, 12:26 PM

I've noticed a trend in a lot of commercial, reality shows, weddings, etc, where the 'lack of steadiness' is probably on purpose. I call it ADD shooting, I know it's done to keep the 'eyes' interest.

I freak out when my shot isn't steady. But I may be in the minority. I guess my thought process is, how do you recover from it, if you shoot non-steady on purpose. I know we can add some movement in post, but nothing replaces purposeful shake. I wonder how we got here... I'm thinking outloud.

Noa Put · November 6th, 2015, 01:33 PM

Wikipedia says that a shaky camera gives a ad hoc, electronic news-gathering, or documentary film feel. It suggests unprepared, unrehearsed filming of reality, and can provide a sense of dynamics, immersion, instability or nervousness.The technique can be used to give a pseudo-documentary or cinéma vérité appearance to a film."

and then they say:
"Too much shaky camera motion can make some viewers feel distracted, dizzy or sick" :)

I personally don't like films that use shake as a constant effect throughout the movie, it only makes sense in some cases where it enhances a scene; like in a car chase or in a fight but I prefer nicely framed stable shots.

David Barnett · November 6th, 2015, 01:59 PM

I think the British version of The Office popularized the technique. imho at least.

Josh Bass · November 6th, 2015, 05:28 PM

I think there are two reasons to do it:

The faux doc/fly on the wall feel as stated, but also can convey chaos, angst, horror, confusion, etc. etc. Think of a character discovering her child missing suddenly. . .perhaps the shots up til that point were tripod/stedicam/etc., smooth, "relaxed", child goes missing--BOOM, now we're spinning all around her, shaky CUs of her face, crossing the axis repeatedly. . .can be very effective.

Mark Watson · November 6th, 2015, 08:36 PM

I've noticed the shaky cam effect on some low-action scenes, as if they are trying to create a sense of high energy. For me, it just creates a sense of wanting my money back. Reeks of cheap production, like the editor(s) are going through the footage and at the boring parts saying, "oh we need some shaky cam here... and here... oh, and here..."

Mark

David Dixon · November 6th, 2015, 09:15 PM

Watch the behind-the-scenes footage for Star Trek Into Darkness - JJ Abrams himself is quite often standing beside the camera vigorously shaking it himself while action scenes are being shot.

And, there are commercial plugins that include a customizable shaky cam look. I try to avoid as much shake as I can, but a lot of people seem to consider it a desirable, edgy look.

Don Bloom · November 6th, 2015, 09:18 PM

I read something about this some years ago and frankly it makes sense.
The shaking camera is used to make it look like your eye movement. Eyes move unlike on a tripod or other type of stabilizer etc, and the feel of reality that your brain gets from a tripod camera or a handheld (shoulder mount) with movement is completely different.
If I wanted the shaky camera look, I would go to the long end of my lens and frame by moving back or forth. Trust me no one can hold a camera on their shoulder perfectly steady for more than a minute or 2 if it's at the long end of the lens. Try it sometime. I don't mean a WA lens but something in the "normal" to tele range.
It's a more dynamic feel or so I've been told.

Chris Andrikakis · November 6th, 2015, 09:44 PM

I agree with Don that it is meant to replicate the viewpoint of a character in that scene. I'm talking about swaying, like a person might do, and not shakiness. It brings the viewer into the scene more and makes it feel more real.

I think it works where there is a possibility that there is a character off camera whose identity the viewer can assume. In many scenes, this is not the case and this effect detracts from them.

In weddings and other event videos, I like it as long as it's not jittery.

Brian Drysdale · November 10th, 2015, 02:47 AM

Shaking camera shots have been around for sometime. They came as part of using hand held cameras and were used since the 1950s on a number of feature films. Although, even earlier, Abel Gance uses some pretty wild stuff in "Napoleon" (1927) .

Gary Huff · November 10th, 2015, 06:55 AM

"I can't watch those older action-thriller movies. The camera work is much too stable."

- Said nobody ever.

November 6th, 2015, 12:26 PM	#1
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Shaking on purpose I've noticed a trend in a lot of commercial, reality shows, weddings, etc, where the 'lack of steadiness' is probably on purpose. I call it ADD shooting, I know it's done to keep the 'eyes' interest. I freak out when my shot isn't steady. But I may be in the minority. I guess my thought process is, how do you recover from it, if you shoot non-steady on purpose. I know we can add some movement in post, but nothing replaces purposeful shake. I wonder how we got here... I'm thinking outloud. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

November 6th, 2015, 01:33 PM	#2
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: Shaking on purpose Wikipedia says that a shaky camera gives a ad hoc, electronic news-gathering, or documentary film feel. It suggests unprepared, unrehearsed filming of reality, and can provide a sense of dynamics, immersion, instability or nervousness.The technique can be used to give a pseudo-documentary or cinéma vérité appearance to a film." and then they say: "Too much shaky camera motion can make some viewers feel distracted, dizzy or sick" :) I personally don't like films that use shake as a constant effect throughout the movie, it only makes sense in some cases where it enhances a scene; like in a car chase or in a fight but I prefer nicely framed stable shots.

November 6th, 2015, 01:59 PM	#3
David Barnett Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 951	Re: Shaking on purpose I think the British version of The Office popularized the technique. imho at least.

November 6th, 2015, 05:28 PM	#4
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Re: Shaking on purpose I think there are two reasons to do it: The faux doc/fly on the wall feel as stated, but also can convey chaos, angst, horror, confusion, etc. etc. Think of a character discovering her child missing suddenly. . .perhaps the shots up til that point were tripod/stedicam/etc., smooth, "relaxed", child goes missing--BOOM, now we're spinning all around her, shaky CUs of her face, crossing the axis repeatedly. . .can be very effective. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 6th, 2015, 08:36 PM	#5
Mark Watson Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Whidbey Island Posts: 873	Re: Shaking on purpose I've noticed the shaky cam effect on some low-action scenes, as if they are trying to create a sense of high energy. For me, it just creates a sense of wanting my money back. Reeks of cheap production, like the editor(s) are going through the footage and at the boring parts saying, "oh we need some shaky cam here... and here... oh, and here..." Mark

November 6th, 2015, 09:15 PM	#6
David Dixon Major Player Join Date: May 2011 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 495	Re: Shaking on purpose Watch the behind-the-scenes footage for Star Trek Into Darkness - JJ Abrams himself is quite often standing beside the camera vigorously shaking it himself while action scenes are being shot. And, there are commercial plugins that include a customizable shaky cam look. I try to avoid as much shake as I can, but a lot of people seem to consider it a desirable, edgy look.

November 6th, 2015, 09:18 PM	#7
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Re: Shaking on purpose I read something about this some years ago and frankly it makes sense. The shaking camera is used to make it look like your eye movement. Eyes move unlike on a tripod or other type of stabilizer etc, and the feel of reality that your brain gets from a tripod camera or a handheld (shoulder mount) with movement is completely different. If I wanted the shaky camera look, I would go to the long end of my lens and frame by moving back or forth. Trust me no one can hold a camera on their shoulder perfectly steady for more than a minute or 2 if it's at the long end of the lens. Try it sometime. I don't mean a WA lens but something in the "normal" to tele range. It's a more dynamic feel or so I've been told. __________________ What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer. Don

November 6th, 2015, 09:44 PM	#8
Chris Andrikakis New Boot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Toronto Posts: 17	Re: Shaking on purpose I agree with Don that it is meant to replicate the viewpoint of a character in that scene. I'm talking about swaying, like a person might do, and not shakiness. It brings the viewer into the scene more and makes it feel more real. I think it works where there is a possibility that there is a character off camera whose identity the viewer can assume. In many scenes, this is not the case and this effect detracts from them. In weddings and other event videos, I like it as long as it's not jittery.

November 10th, 2015, 02:47 AM	#9
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,143	Re: Shaking on purpose Shaking camera shots have been around for sometime. They came as part of using hand held cameras and were used since the 1950s on a number of feature films. Although, even earlier, Abel Gance uses some pretty wild stuff in "Napoleon" (1927) .

November 10th, 2015, 06:55 AM	#10
Gary Huff Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,006	Re: Shaking on purpose "I can't watch those older action-thriller movies. The camera work is much too stable." - Said nobody ever.