What is it called: two handle thing at DVinfo.net

Steve Watnet · August 6th, 2005, 07:25 PM

I've seen these pictures of cameras mounted on tripods, but instead of standard pan handles, there are these "double" handles--it looks like instead of being able to pan with one hand, you'd be able to grab on and pan with two hands at once.

Has anyone seen what I'm talking about?

Does anyone know what these are called?

I want one of these things real bad.

Boyd Ostroff · August 6th, 2005, 07:40 PM

Most of the better heads have the option to put the handle on either the left, the right, or both. My Miller DS-5 can do this and so can my Manfrotto 501. You can order a second handle from the manufacturer; look up your model on B&H's website.

Stephanie Wilson · August 6th, 2005, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Watnet

I've seen these pictures of cameras mounted on tripods, but instead of standard pan handles, there are these "double" handles--it looks like instead of being able to pan with one hand, you'd be able to grab on and pan with two hands at once.

Has anyone seen what I'm talking about?

Does anyone know what these are called?

I want one of these things real bad.

Steve,

I believe that the tripods that you've seen are just outfitted with TWO pan handles, one on either side of the head. Your tripod head must obviously have the capability to accept two arms. Two handles and/or arms are often used when your EFP camera is in "studio configuration" and you have a zoom and focus rig attatched to either arm. In full studio cameras the two handles serve this same purpose as well as controlling panning and tilting with two hands.

Hope this helps,

Stephanie

20 years on a broadcast Sachtler but now using a Manfrotto/Bogen 525 with a 503 ball head

Steve Watnet · August 9th, 2005, 02:35 AM

ok, but what you're describing is the standard type of handle on a tripod--let's say that kind of handle is sort of like a handle on a motorcycle.

what i'm talking about is two handles which are perpendicular to that--you grab them more like a steering wheel. I'm not saying the handles look like a steering wheel, just that one's hands are positioned similar to how they'd be positioned on a steering wheel.

know what I mean? I've only seen this type of rig on big film cameras.

Charles Papert · August 9th, 2005, 12:17 PM

OK--you've got me, I'm intrigued. Are you thinking of a gearhead (like this?)

If not, please try to describe this further, or provide a link to a picture.

Steve Watnet · August 9th, 2005, 05:55 PM

I'm not talking about a gearhead--that's another thing I wish I had, but some DP told me that they start at $60k or something, which sounds shocking.

I'll see if I can come up with one. I think I've seen them in American Cinematographer or something. I see them from time to time.

I will do my best/

Charles Papert · August 9th, 2005, 09:18 PM

Actually, you can find used models of gearheads like the MiniWorrals for around $5K--old Arriheads for $12K--even new ones are only about half of what your friend told you.

I'm still intrigued Steve--I think I've had my hands on just about every kind of control device there is to operate a film camera, but I'm having a hard time picturing what you have in mind.

Mikko Wilson · August 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM

Are the Handles on the tripod, or the camera?

- Mikko

Wayne Orr · August 11th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Charles, a number of years ago, when remote heads were really gaining in popularity, there was a set-up that used "handle bars" rather than wheels or a joystick. The thought was that it would be more intuitive for people that had learned on friction or fluid heads, particularly video camera operators. It actually wasn't a bad idea, but it never gained much of a following, and I don't believe there are any in use today. And I doubt this is what Steve is refering to, but I am also at a loss as to what it could be.

Wayne Orr, SOC

Charles Papert · August 11th, 2005, 12:05 PM

The thought had crossed my mind, Wayne...there are still quite a few "pan bars" out there for remote heads, but this seemed a bit obtuse of a reference, especially since one would never see the camera attached to the control mechanism in a picture of such a setup.

My personal favorite remote head controller is something I saw at Panavision a few years ago; a handheld brace equipped with motion sensors and a small monitor on top. You operate it as if you are operating a handheld camera, and it translates your movement into the remote head--it really does look like handheld!

Tim Le · August 11th, 2005, 05:44 PM

I'm sort of a camera support junkie so I pay special attention to stuff like that and I'm not sure what the OP is referring to either. The closest thing I've seen is a half-steering wheel type controller used for 3-axis remote heads. But like Charles said, the camera wouldn't be mounted to the controller. Or maybe he's talking about this two-part adjustable pan-bar on studio setups:

Sony BVP900

Steve Watnet · August 12th, 2005, 02:51 AM

Funny. I didn't imagine this reaction to my question. I looked in a magazine I have that I thought maybe had a picture--and it sort of does, but not quite.

It's a photograph of a HD operator shooting some star wars stuff against a greenscreen. He's pointing the camera by means of two handles on the side--it looks like he's got a hold of a motocross bike, that is, in this case, the handles *are* like motorcycle handles, as opposed to what I described previously.

I'll keep hunting to see if I can't provide more solid evidence of this red herring.

-Thanks, BTW, for the info concerning the gearboxes. The first time I ever saw one was during the opening credits for Contempt/Le Mepris, with Raoul Coutard operating. I figured, based on that sequence, that gear boxes were some standard piece of equipment and therefore readily available and affordable. :\

Charles Papert · August 12th, 2005, 12:33 PM

<<I figured, based on that sequence, that gear boxes were some standard piece of equipment and therefore readily available and affordable. :\>>

Standard they are, they are on virtually every set (except a growing number of DP's prefer fluid heads). And they are available at all major rental houses. Affordable--that's a relative term...!

For me, I generally prefer the geared head for 90% of the film or HD stuff I operate, going to the fluid head when the situation warrants (extreme tilts, needing to operate the zoom myself, frantic action, etc). But it's a cumbersome piece of gear and I don't bother with it for DV shoots.

By the way, I don't imagine this is it but it does have motorcyle-type handles:

http://www.chapman-leonard.com/sting18%20copy.JPG

Dennis Wood · August 12th, 2005, 08:51 PM

Steve sounds like a dual head flash bracket. Like this http://www.pana3ccduser.com/showthread.php?t=1257 but with two handles right?

August 6th, 2005, 07:25 PM	#1
Steve Watnet Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: la, ca Posts: 87	What is it called: two handle thing I've seen these pictures of cameras mounted on tripods, but instead of standard pan handles, there are these "double" handles--it looks like instead of being able to pan with one hand, you'd be able to grab on and pan with two hands at once. Has anyone seen what I'm talking about? Does anyone know what these are called? I want one of these things real bad.

August 9th, 2005, 12:17 PM	#5
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	OK--you've got me, I'm intrigued. Are you thinking of a gearhead (like this?) If not, please try to describe this further, or provide a link to a picture. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 9th, 2005, 09:18 PM	#7
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Actually, you can find used models of gearheads like the MiniWorrals for around $5K--old Arriheads for $12K--even new ones are only about half of what your friend told you. I'm still intrigued Steve--I think I've had my hands on just about every kind of control device there is to operate a film camera, but I'm having a hard time picturing what you have in mind. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM	#8
Mikko Wilson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Juneau, Alaska, USA Posts: 624	Are the Handles on the tripod, or the camera? - Mikko __________________ Mikko Wilson - Steadicam Owner / Operator - Juneau, Alaska, USA +1 (907) 321-8387 - mikkowilson@hotmail.com - www.mikkowilson.com

August 11th, 2005, 12:05 PM	#10
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	The thought had crossed my mind, Wayne...there are still quite a few "pan bars" out there for remote heads, but this seemed a bit obtuse of a reference, especially since one would never see the camera attached to the control mechanism in a picture of such a setup. My personal favorite remote head controller is something I saw at Panavision a few years ago; a handheld brace equipped with motion sensors and a small monitor on top. You operate it as if you are operating a handheld camera, and it translates your movement into the remote head--it really does look like handheld! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 6th, 2005, 07:40 PM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Most of the better heads have the option to put the handle on either the left, the right, or both. My Miller DS-5 can do this and so can my Manfrotto 501. You can order a second handle from the manufacturer; look up your model on B&H's website.

August 9th, 2005, 02:35 AM	#4
Steve Watnet Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: la, ca Posts: 87	ok, but what you're describing is the standard type of handle on a tripod--let's say that kind of handle is sort of like a handle on a motorcycle. what i'm talking about is two handles which are perpendicular to that--you grab them more like a steering wheel. I'm not saying the handles look like a steering wheel, just that one's hands are positioned similar to how they'd be positioned on a steering wheel. know what I mean? I've only seen this type of rig on big film cameras.

August 9th, 2005, 05:55 PM	#6
Steve Watnet Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: la, ca Posts: 87	I'm not talking about a gearhead--that's another thing I wish I had, but some DP told me that they start at $60k or something, which sounds shocking. I'll see if I can come up with one. I think I've seen them in American Cinematographer or something. I see them from time to time. I will do my best/

August 11th, 2005, 11:47 AM	#9
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	Charles, a number of years ago, when remote heads were really gaining in popularity, there was a set-up that used "handle bars" rather than wheels or a joystick. The thought was that it would be more intuitive for people that had learned on friction or fluid heads, particularly video camera operators. It actually wasn't a bad idea, but it never gained much of a following, and I don't believe there are any in use today. And I doubt this is what Steve is refering to, but I am also at a loss as to what it could be. Wayne Orr, SOC

August 11th, 2005, 05:44 PM	#11
Tim Le Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 350	I'm sort of a camera support junkie so I pay special attention to stuff like that and I'm not sure what the OP is referring to either. The closest thing I've seen is a half-steering wheel type controller used for 3-axis remote heads. But like Charles said, the camera wouldn't be mounted to the controller. Or maybe he's talking about this two-part adjustable pan-bar on studio setups: Sony BVP900

August 12th, 2005, 02:51 AM	#12
Steve Watnet Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: la, ca Posts: 87	Funny. I didn't imagine this reaction to my question. I looked in a magazine I have that I thought maybe had a picture--and it sort of does, but not quite. It's a photograph of a HD operator shooting some star wars stuff against a greenscreen. He's pointing the camera by means of two handles on the side--it looks like he's got a hold of a motocross bike, that is, in this case, the handles are like motorcycle handles, as opposed to what I described previously. I'll keep hunting to see if I can't provide more solid evidence of this red herring. -Thanks, BTW, for the info concerning the gearboxes. The first time I ever saw one was during the opening credits for Contempt/Le Mepris, with Raoul Coutard operating. I figured, based on that sequence, that gear boxes were some standard piece of equipment and therefore readily available and affordable. :\

August 12th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#13
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	<<I figured, based on that sequence, that gear boxes were some standard piece of equipment and therefore readily available and affordable. :\>> Standard they are, they are on virtually every set (except a growing number of DP's prefer fluid heads). And they are available at all major rental houses. Affordable--that's a relative term...! For me, I generally prefer the geared head for 90% of the film or HD stuff I operate, going to the fluid head when the situation warrants (extreme tilts, needing to operate the zoom myself, frantic action, etc). But it's a cumbersome piece of gear and I don't bother with it for DV shoots. By the way, I don't imagine this is it but it does have motorcyle-type handles: http://www.chapman-leonard.com/sting18%20copy.JPG __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 12th, 2005, 08:51 PM	#14
Dennis Wood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 916	Steve sounds like a dual head flash bracket. Like this http://www.pana3ccduser.com/showthread.php?t=1257 but with two handles right?