Please tell us more. what buttons did you punch and in which sequence? What menus showed up on screen and when?
Thanks!

post #38 above

I pressed "2008" on the remote to get the "secret" menu as Andrew suggested. Pardon the heavy JPG artifacting due to major compression. Just grab the larger DSC_XXXX files for the real picture, though the moire was inevitable.

All ScreenShots here:
Index of /Images/Gear/ManhattanLCD_HD109A

Main menu:
http://gentlemensfightingclub.com/Im...ularMenuSm.jpg

Secret menu (press "2008" on remote control):
http://gentlemensfightingclub.com/Im...cretMenuSm.jpg

Glad this thread has been useful to people.

Gints & Tim,

I'm torn between buying a manhattan monitor, waiting for smallhd's next offering and buying a 1000nit xenarc then worrying later about focus/resolution.

Either of you have any anecdotal info about either monitor outside? I think i may need to lean more towards outside viewability than rez/color, at least for the advantajib. .

cheers,
-a

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Andrew, I am pleased with the small HD monitor.

It is the perfect size for an external monitor and it is lightweight.

After a lot of adjustments, the image is quite nice and I think it will be plenty of resolution for focus.

The monitor does have a limited viewing angle, so that must always be in mind while adjusting the position.

For $450, I don't know if I could do any better in the marketplace.

HD is expensive and a lot better at the same time!

AB brick
 

thanks Michael I think ill wait to see what others do in this situation.

Model# for the board in the manhattanlcd.com is MST KM9E19ATVL

but where did you get it? - I can't seem to raise any info on the SmallHD site, the purchase link doesn't work nor does the email??

Paul,

Small HD had a few prototypes that they were selling at $450. I bought one and returned it because they were still bare aluminum and not anodized. Nothing else wrong with the panel, in fact for the price. It's a steal.

Email Dale Backus at Small HD, he may still have a few left.

mike

Yes, I don't know what is going on with their site.

I first noticed a monitor on Ebay a few months ago.

At that time their site was working and I also called Dale.

The phone number is on the website.

And yes, I purchased the prototype version of the monitor.

You could always go DIY if you have the time...
Canon HV20 / HV30 User Forum - View Single Post - DIY Samsung HD Monitor thread

Still haven't heard reports about outdoor visibility. Anybody with a manhattan or smallhd monitor got anything to say about using them outside with horribly bright sun?

thanks!
-a

I haven't had a chance to experiment with the ManhattanLCD outdoors. Probably this Sunday.

The contrast ratio on both my 7.2" & 10.9" are about the same as the little flip-out on my HV20. The MLCD screens have a NICE anti reflective coating which cuts glare a lot. However, I always use and recommend that operators attach sun-shades to their monitors outdoors in all but shades scenarios. Ideally, a really deep hood that goes all around the screen is best. No pros would try to judge the screen without a hood as screen contrast will NOT help you improve an image degraded from a high degree of ambient illumination

Hi,
Just a quick addition to gint's comments on the Manhattan LCD, as mine has just arrived. I'm pretty blown away actually having just messed around indoors pulling focus on my canon XH A1. It's very easy to check critical focus especially as the A1's magnify function shows up via component on the Manhattan LCD. Even without using this function focus is no longer an issue for me; well at least until I get me that sgpro that is!
The casing is tough as they come, considering it's ABS plastic and man is it light, really light!
I will get back with more when I've used it outdoors, as I known others are curious about sunlight on the screen.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Oh just for the record delivery was prompt and well packaged. No complaints about Manhattan LCD as a company.
Cheers
Matt

I'm interested, but would like to know more before I lay down some cash. What documentation comes with the Manhattan kit??? Can it be downloaded??? I haven't been able to find on the website.

Mark

ManhattanLCD tells me that they're working on a manual. None was provided with mine, but they told me the model number of the LCD controller board was MST KM9E19ATVL . I Googled for an on-line manual, but all I could find were Chinese language sites.

MLCD working on documentation? I'd better call them to be sure they get it right.
Thanks for the heads up.

BTW. Just listed the 10.9" in
Private Classifieds.

Hey all -

This is Dale with SmallHD.com -

Stumbled across this thread today and i thought it would be helpful if i were to shed some light on a few of the questions/concerns that i passed over while reading..

Sorry for the continually delayed release date. We originally created the 12" earlier this year, fully intending on releasing it in full for about 800-900 dollars. When we built our first prototype of the 12, we were astonished by the video quality and were able to truly understand what a benefit these products would be. So there was the first prototype, and then we redesigned and came up with a second prototype - leveraging off what we learned and a need for improvement from the first model.. After this and much more research and communication with many different suppliers and manufacturers, we really wanted to see if we would be able to make it smaller, lighter, and even better - while dropping the price from our originally intended 900 to about half that.

We are very close.

I can't give incredible detail at this moment, as the primary reason we've kept pretty quiet is we don't want to instill false hope or have to take back something we've said, but the new model's PRELIMINARY specs are as follows:

8.9" diagonal
1280x768
Very high contrast ratio
Super-wide 178 degree viewing angle
LED backlit - High brightness
Low-power consumption
HDMI, VGA, Component, S-Vid, Composite
1" Thick
Extremely lightweight - yet extremely durable/rigid anodized aluminum construction (more on this later)
Multiple 1/4 20 mounts (exact number to be determined) Input welcome
Custom quick-mount sunhood


We sincerely hope to be shipping these around the New year, with a more complete spec sheet and photos/renderings around Thanksgiving.

This monitor (name yet to be determined, suggestions?) is one of many Small HD Monitors SmallHD will be releasing - just have to walk before we run. This is a very impressive monitor that we hope to release for around 500 dollars. Our aim for this model was to get pixels into the pockets of the very under served low-budget indy film community. As we progress we will introduce more advanced and more involved models - HDSDI, etc.

Thanks all for your patience, and thanks for the good words, especially from those who have had their hands on one of our primitive prototypes.

Feel free to ask questions here, and i'll do my best to answer. Suggestions are always welcome.

Thanks Dale sounds great. I look forward to the HDSDI unit.

That sounds great Dale,
Thanks for the update. I had been to your site on a number of occasions as i'm looking at purchasing a field monitor in the very near future. These new developements you speak of sound very interesting. I will be following the progress of the new monitor with a very close eye.

Bryce

"This monitor (name yet to be determined, suggestions?)"

OK how about H DEMON (HDemon/HDeMon etc)?

Regards

Excellent news Dale, looking forward to being able to purchase your offering(s)...

Still thinking up names but how about the Pixie series of HD monitors?

Pixie to imply it's small and magical qualities... Plus Pixie and Pixel are somewhat similar words...

Cheers,

//Leo

Dale,

May I suggest in the interests of your sales and web traffic that you include some reference to the letters 5DmkII on your monitor! Just a thought.

How about SmallHDmkII-5D

Dan

Le Voyeur or Voyeur Grande would crack me up. Adding French wording to a product would increase the perceived value immensely to an American.

how to mount the Manhattan LCD monitor
 

Gints and others,

I tried sending an email but it didn't seem to work.

I wanted to thank you for your reviews of the Manhattan LCD 10.9 HD monitor. They prompted me to ordee one, which arrived yesterday. So far so good. The screen is nice and detailed and a welcome relief from the tiny LCD on my Canon XH-A1.

My question now is how to mount the thing. It's too big to go on the camera. Is there a recommended mount for a lighting stand? Or to attach to a leg of my tripod? I know I saw a picture somewhere of an articulated arm...

Any recommendations?

Thanks again for introducing me to the Manhattan 10.9. I've never used a Marshall, but it would have to be a heckuva lot better than the Manhattan to justify the 3X cost.

Manfrotto, Noga and Zacuto all make arms, as do others. I personally use the Red Rock Micro shoulder support system and a Stickypod ball head (but any decent ball head will do)

Dan

Glad you like it. I'm helping construct the user manual for this so anyone that's already figured out the 'hidden' menus and functions, feel free to share.
I found the 10.9 a tad unwieldy for anchoring to the tripod- just cause it's rather wide and could easily get knocked over in the process of operating a camera. So I believe in light-stand mounting it. Even a superlightweight stand is fine.
Some links...
Imago Metrics:Toshiba 10.9" DIY Enclosure
http://imagometrics.com/images/10.9Images/GrpA.jpg
My big thing with these monitors is a quick-release between the monitor and the stand adapter or mount. Quick Release makes for safe and quick mounts and dismounts and take a lot of wear off of the 1/4-20 threads ;)
This is the cheapest...
Brandess Kalt/Aetna - Tripod Quick Release

manhatan lcd arm; hole
 

Thanks, Paul.

I've been looking at this:

Bogen / Manfrotto | Magic Arm Kit | 143 | B&H Photo Video

BTW, can you tell me what the right-most hole is on the face of the enclosure? The other holes are for the power light and buttons. IU'm wondering if a button or light was misaligned or just missed.

Thanks.

Magic arm is a classic and yes, it will securely anchor the 10.9" monitor to anything. I do find the classic versions quite heavy. Rightmost hole?? Usually that's the IR port for the wireless remote. Which picture are you referring to?

That arm will work. My latest rig is here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/photo-hd-...tml#post964344

Would like to try a SmallHD monitor on it as well.

Dan

I spoke with Dale today regarding the new 9" monitors and I am SUPER stoked! I can't believe I spent $650 on a glidecam L5-Pro monitor... it's kind of a worthless piece of junk. I unboxed it today, plugged it into the XH-A1, then stuck it back in the box with an RMA to B&H... I'm going to hold out for this new SmallHD monitor. If it actually ships in January/February I'll be SUPER stoked and Dale, you can count on a purchase from me! It sounds like what you guys are doing is really cutting-edge stuff, and I am looking forward to the results.

M.Paul,

Sorry I missed your post until now. Yes, the Magic arm is quite heavy, but seems nice and solid. Re: the hole, 1/2" to the right of the Input button. It looks like perhaps there should be a light there. It's bigger than the power light hole. Look at the picture here, the one showing the face of the monitor. You can see it:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/photo-hd-...tml#post964344

9" and light is probably the right size for mobile rigs. I have the Manhattan LCD with an EX1 on a shoulder mount. It's just a couple inches too tall and wide for that specific setup, though it's just right on a tripod. Though, I think you really need a 15+" 720P monitor to view HD. The pixels pitch is too small even when you're a foot away from the Manhattan LCD screen. If someone could package a Picture-in-Picture setup with the 2-4x zoomed image on the full screen and the framed image in 1/8 of the screen, we would be saved !

Sony, please copy the focusing Nikon D90 offers for its movie mode.

No blue gun to these LCDs
 

There may be other technical issues with these two particular, appealing-looking, monitors (SmallHD and Manahttan), but one matter that concerns me greatly is that they don't have blue gun capability. How is one going to calibrate the monitor without seeing "blue bars" on the screen from the camera? Is there another method that these two monitors provide that is rock-solid and can be relied upon in a multi-cam situation?
David

David I agree I need HD-SDI with proper calibration. Dale on post #61 is saying they will have a HD-SDI option I do not know if can be calibrated. Would be silly if they did not have this feature but we have to wait and see.

I am hot on the market for a monitor and waiting to see what they offer first if the time frame permits.

Here's what Dale of SmallHD emailed me in reply to my inquiry:

No blue gun, but there will be detailed color controls... you should be able to achieve calibration.


"Should be able to achieve calibration" is none too reassuring language. So these two lower cost HD LCDs may be a whole lotta "almost but not quite." I'd love to hear a more tech-savvy forum participant weight in on whether calibration is possible without blue gun in the monitor.

From my experience you can not calibrate with out Blue only off, Hue, Chroma, Brightness, and contrast. But happy to be proven wrong by more experience.