Do I need a HD monitor for proper editing? at DVinfo.net

Ken Hodson · August 24th, 2003, 01:51 PM

Do I have to have a HD monitor to do proper editing? I have read of "enhanced artifacting" from the software encoder/decoders. Is that based on the quality of the decoder and better ones will be released or is it an inherent quality of previewing mp2-ts on CRT's?
Why I'm asking is that I'm ready to jump on the camera but can't afford a HD monitor at the same time. Will I be editing blind(so to speak) on my 19" crt?

Steve Mullen · August 25th, 2003, 10:24 AM

The simple answer is "no."

You can see what you are editing on your computer's RGB monitor in 16:9.

But, color correction will be less accurate although certainly not impossible.

John Eriksson · August 26th, 2003, 02:55 PM

Can I connect the camcoder to a ordenary vga display? And if so, what port on the camera do I use? Explain more!!
/j

Randall Morton · August 26th, 2003, 03:46 PM

Not sure what you mean by High Definition. True High Definition is considered 1920 x 1080 which would take
a large CRT monitor and capable video card.

I have never tried to display directly through my computer monitor but I would think it would be possible through the firewire port with the appropriate software.

If I want to play back directly from the camera I go though my DVHS firewire to projector. The resolution of my projector is only 1280 x 720 and is not true HD.

John Eriksson · August 26th, 2003, 04:18 PM

Ok, thanks! Than I understand...

Steve Mullen · August 26th, 2003, 04:40 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by John Eriksson : Can I connect the camcoder to a ordenary vga display? And if so, what port on the camera do I use? Explain more!!
/j -->>>

You connect your VGA monitor to your computer. And monitor using it.

Barry Green · August 26th, 2003, 07:52 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Randall Morton : The resolution of my projector is only 1280 x 720 and is not true HD. -->>>

1280 x 720 is considered high-def, just as 1920 x 1080 is high-def. The original spec called for 1280x720 at 60p, whereas 1920 x 1080 was at 60i. But both resolutions are included in the standard for HDTV.

Phil Wright · August 27th, 2003, 08:50 AM

While you can't directly connect your JY-HD10U to a PC/RGB monitor you can use Viewsonics NextVision 6 which accepts HD component input and that can be hooked to an RGB monitor.

Randall Morton · August 27th, 2003, 10:45 AM

High Definition Standard is 1080i. This is 1920 x 1080 @ 60fps interlaced. Anything less than this is not true high def by definition.

Steve Mullen · August 27th, 2003, 11:07 AM

Take a look at the ATSC Table 3 before you talk about TRUE HD. You are simply wrong as there is no such thing in the USA.

Fernando Vossa · September 8th, 2003, 05:22 PM

Samsung has a nice line of HD capabable monitors (LCD, and Plasma)

here is one that I saw at a retailer and the price was about $600

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCDMonitor/Monitor_LCDMonitor_172W.htm

It is better quality than the Viewsonic wide LCD model.

here is a review:

http://www.monkeyreview.com/reviews/review.php?num=240&page=1

Let me know what you decided on, I will also be configuring an editing setup on a budget.

Fernando Vossa · September 8th, 2003, 05:22 PM

Samsung has a nice line of HD capabable monitors (LCD, and Plasma)

here is one that I saw at a retailer and the price was about $600

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCDMonitor/Monitor_LCDMonitor_172W.htm

It is better quality than the Viewsonic wide LCD model.

here is a review:

http://www.monkeyreview.com/reviews/review.php?num=240&page=1

Let me know what you decided on, I will also be configuring an editing setup on a budget.

Darren Kelly · September 8th, 2003, 06:01 PM

I just bought a Samsung 1575W from Office Depot here in Vancouver. Great price of only $849.00 canadian. Thats about $611.00 US.

Wide screen and everything.

Cheers

DBK

Randall Morton · November 24th, 2003, 08:49 AM

"Take a look at the ATSC Table 3 before you talk about TRUE HD. You are simply wrong as there is no such thing in the USA".

I'd forgotten about this thread but was reading a review on a JVC and they were talking about true HD. Regardless of what the ATSC table says, most people do not consider anything less than 1920 x 1080 true HD. Here is the link.

http://www.hifi-writer.com/blog/20031009.htm#20031011-1732

Peter Moore · November 25th, 2003, 10:42 AM

"most people do not consider anything less than 1920 x 1080 true HD"

Then they are ignorant.

August 24th, 2003, 01:51 PM	#1
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Do I need a HD monitor for proper editing? Do I have to have a HD monitor to do proper editing? I have read of "enhanced artifacting" from the software encoder/decoders. Is that based on the quality of the decoder and better ones will be released or is it an inherent quality of previewing mp2-ts on CRT's? Why I'm asking is that I'm ready to jump on the camera but can't afford a HD monitor at the same time. Will I be editing blind(so to speak) on my 19" crt? __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

August 26th, 2003, 02:55 PM	#3
John Eriksson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 57	how? Can I connect the camcoder to a ordenary vga display? And if so, what port on the camera do I use? Explain more!! /j

August 26th, 2003, 04:18 PM	#5
John Eriksson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 57	Ok Ok, thanks! Than I understand...

August 26th, 2003, 04:40 PM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: how? <<<-- Originally posted by John Eriksson : Can I connect the camcoder to a ordenary vga display? And if so, what port on the camera do I use? Explain more!! /j -->>> You connect your VGA monitor to your computer. And monitor using it. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 27th, 2003, 11:07 AM	#10
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Take a look at the ATSC Table 3 before you talk about TRUE HD. You are simply wrong as there is no such thing in the USA. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 25th, 2003, 10:24 AM	#2
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	The simple answer is "no." You can see what you are editing on your computer's RGB monitor in 16:9. But, color correction will be less accurate although certainly not impossible. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

August 26th, 2003, 03:46 PM	#4
Randall Morton Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 39	Not sure what you mean by High Definition. True High Definition is considered 1920 x 1080 which would take a large CRT monitor and capable video card. I have never tried to display directly through my computer monitor but I would think it would be possible through the firewire port with the appropriate software. If I want to play back directly from the camera I go though my DVHS firewire to projector. The resolution of my projector is only 1280 x 720 and is not true HD.

August 26th, 2003, 07:52 PM	#7
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	<<<-- Originally posted by Randall Morton : The resolution of my projector is only 1280 x 720 and is not true HD. -->>> 1280 x 720 is considered high-def, just as 1920 x 1080 is high-def. The original spec called for 1280x720 at 60p, whereas 1920 x 1080 was at 60i. But both resolutions are included in the standard for HDTV.

August 27th, 2003, 08:50 AM	#8
Phil Wright CineForm (Aspect HD) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 57	While you can't directly connect your JY-HD10U to a PC/RGB monitor you can use Viewsonics NextVision 6 which accepts HD component input and that can be hooked to an RGB monitor.

August 27th, 2003, 10:45 AM	#9
Randall Morton Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 39	High Definition Standard is 1080i. This is 1920 x 1080 @ 60fps interlaced. Anything less than this is not true high def by definition.

September 8th, 2003, 05:22 PM	#11
Fernando Vossa New Boot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 18	Samsung Samsung has a nice line of HD capabable monitors (LCD, and Plasma) here is one that I saw at a retailer and the price was about $600 http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCDMonitor/Monitor_LCDMonitor_172W.htm It is better quality than the Viewsonic wide LCD model. here is a review: http://www.monkeyreview.com/reviews/review.php?num=240&page=1 Let me know what you decided on, I will also be configuring an editing setup on a budget. __________________ Fernando Vossa The real voyage of discovery consists of not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. - Marcel Proust

September 8th, 2003, 06:01 PM	#13
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	I just bought a Samsung 1575W from Office Depot here in Vancouver. Great price of only $849.00 canadian. Thats about $611.00 US. Wide screen and everything. Cheers DBK

November 24th, 2003, 08:49 AM	#14
Randall Morton Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 39	"Take a look at the ATSC Table 3 before you talk about TRUE HD. You are simply wrong as there is no such thing in the USA". I'd forgotten about this thread but was reading a review on a JVC and they were talking about true HD. Regardless of what the ATSC table says, most people do not consider anything less than 1920 x 1080 true HD. Here is the link. http://www.hifi-writer.com/blog/20031009.htm#20031011-1732

November 25th, 2003, 10:42 AM	#15
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	"most people do not consider anything less than 1920 x 1080 true HD" Then they are ignorant.