component input: is it deinterlaced? at DVinfo.net

Piotr Wozniacki · January 27th, 2007, 10:48 AM

I have the Fujitsu-Siemens ScenicView P24W, 24" LCD, 1920x1200 monitor. Using its component input, I can play 1080i from my Sony or Canon HDV camera flawlessly - there's the wow factor, etc. The picture has no interlace artefacts whatsoever; actually I was pretty sure the monitor had a very smart deinterlacer onboard...

Until I used the HDTV component output of my ATI graphics card, connected to the same component input of the monitor in question. The same 1080i material - captured to disk and played back with variety of software - does show typical interlace artefacts, like jagged edges and alike.

Why is that? What is the difference in the component 1080i signal from the camera vs that from a captured raw m2t file? The first is uncompressed, but how does it affect the way interlacing is handled by the monitor?

I'd appreciate your suggestions/explanations.

John Miller · January 27th, 2007, 11:05 AM

It's because your camcorder is sending a true interlaced video signal to the monitor and the monitor is displaying it as truly interlaced.

From your graphics card, unless you have a specific setting you can adjust, it is most likely sending a progressive signal. Also, whatever software you are using to play the file will present the interlaced image as a single, progressive frame instead of two distinct fields.

To convince yourself, send the captured file back to the camcorder and view it on the monitor connected to the camcorder. It should look "wow"!

Piotr Wozniacki · January 27th, 2007, 11:27 AM

I've always thought an LCD monitor can only display progressive (just like plasmas do), hence I believed it deinterlaces the component input from my camera.

Also, I believe the software I'm using send interlaced signal, as it has explicite options to deinterlace (blend, bob, compensate etc), which I usually do NOT use.

So, I'm still unconvinced:( But perhaps I am missing something - so John, please try to explain it to me in more detail. Thanks!

Peter Ferling · January 27th, 2007, 06:00 PM

I know little about the ATI's (I use Nvidia). However, is there a setting in your control panel to tell the graphics cards that the output monitor is an HDTV rather than a PC type monitor? Worth a shot.

Piotr Wozniacki · January 27th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Of course, Peter - the system is configured so that the LCD is working as extended desktop in "Theater mode", and it's format is HDTV 1080i.

Peter Ferling · January 27th, 2007, 09:27 PM

Could it a be a fielding issue? i.e. lower vs. upper? Do you know if you monitor is actually applying a deinterlace?

Piotr Wozniacki · January 28th, 2007, 04:59 AM

No, it's not a field sequence issue. As to whether the monitor is deinteralcing, well - my question in the original post was about that! I mean, when I play back from my camera, I'm almost sure it is, because the material is of course interlaced, and there's no artefacts. But then, the same clip from disk, played back through the same component interface, looks jerky and has jagged edges.

There is one more factor that is only complicating the whole matter: I'm a PAL land, and my clips are 50i; unfortunately the Catalyst software for the ATI card does not offer 1080i/25HZ (PAL), only 1080i/30Hz (NTSC) format. Could this be the reason? I'd say the motion could get jerky, but edges?

John Miller · January 28th, 2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

But then, the same clip from disk, played back through the same component interface, looks jerky and has jagged edges.

Please clarify "same component interface". Is that the same inputs on your LCD display (but connected to your computer)?

If so, you really should try my original suggestion - send the captured video back to the camcorder and connect the camcorder to the LCD display. If the jaggies disappear, it strongly suggests that your computer's video output isn't right.

Piotr Wozniacki · January 28th, 2007, 01:30 PM

Yes John, I mean the very same component input on the same monitor. I'll be doing tests as you prescibed, but more important to me would be an advise on some work-around...

Rich Dykmans · January 28th, 2007, 03:23 PM

Sounds like your graphics card is converting the interlaced fields to progressive frames which would leading to a combing effect and interlace artifacts. See if there is a frame blending setting in the control panel of the graphics card.

Piotr Wozniacki · January 29th, 2007, 11:19 AM

The graphics card software (ATI catalyst) has all options set correctly (no deinterlacing). Howver, I'd like to stress again that - opposite to what the card's manual says - it doesn't offer the PAL HDTV format (only 1080/30Hz is available on component output). Perhaps this is the reason?

I've heard that nVidia card offer much better and flexible HDTV output, which model would you recommend?

January 27th, 2007, 10:48 AM	#1
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	component input: is it deinterlaced? I have the Fujitsu-Siemens ScenicView P24W, 24" LCD, 1920x1200 monitor. Using its component input, I can play 1080i from my Sony or Canon HDV camera flawlessly - there's the wow factor, etc. The picture has no interlace artefacts whatsoever; actually I was pretty sure the monitor had a very smart deinterlacer onboard... Until I used the HDTV component output of my ATI graphics card, connected to the same component input of the monitor in question. The same 1080i material - captured to disk and played back with variety of software - does show typical interlace artefacts, like jagged edges and alike. Why is that? What is the difference in the component 1080i signal from the camera vs that from a captured raw m2t file? The first is uncompressed, but how does it affect the way interlacing is handled by the monitor? I'd appreciate your suggestions/explanations.

January 27th, 2007, 11:05 AM	#2
John Miller Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hillsborough, NC, USA Posts: 968	It's because your camcorder is sending a true interlaced video signal to the monitor and the monitor is displaying it as truly interlaced. From your graphics card, unless you have a specific setting you can adjust, it is most likely sending a progressive signal. Also, whatever software you are using to play the file will present the interlaced image as a single, progressive frame instead of two distinct fields. To convince yourself, send the captured file back to the camcorder and view it on the monitor connected to the camcorder. It should look "wow"!

January 27th, 2007, 11:27 AM	#3
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	I've always thought an LCD monitor can only display progressive (just like plasmas do), hence I believed it deinterlaces the component input from my camera. Also, I believe the software I'm using send interlaced signal, as it has explicite options to deinterlace (blend, bob, compensate etc), which I usually do NOT use. So, I'm still unconvinced:( But perhaps I am missing something - so John, please try to explain it to me in more detail. Thanks!

January 27th, 2007, 06:00 PM	#4
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	I know little about the ATI's (I use Nvidia). However, is there a setting in your control panel to tell the graphics cards that the output monitor is an HDTV rather than a PC type monitor? Worth a shot.

January 27th, 2007, 06:05 PM	#5
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Of course, Peter - the system is configured so that the LCD is working as extended desktop in "Theater mode", and it's format is HDTV 1080i.

January 27th, 2007, 09:27 PM	#6
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Could it a be a fielding issue? i.e. lower vs. upper? Do you know if you monitor is actually applying a deinterlace?

January 28th, 2007, 04:59 AM	#7
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	No, it's not a field sequence issue. As to whether the monitor is deinteralcing, well - my question in the original post was about that! I mean, when I play back from my camera, I'm almost sure it is, because the material is of course interlaced, and there's no artefacts. But then, the same clip from disk, played back through the same component interface, looks jerky and has jagged edges. There is one more factor that is only complicating the whole matter: I'm a PAL land, and my clips are 50i; unfortunately the Catalyst software for the ATI card does not offer 1080i/25HZ (PAL), only 1080i/30Hz (NTSC) format. Could this be the reason? I'd say the motion could get jerky, but edges?

January 28th, 2007, 01:30 PM	#9
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Yes John, I mean the very same component input on the same monitor. I'll be doing tests as you prescibed, but more important to me would be an advise on some work-around...

January 28th, 2007, 03:23 PM	#10
Rich Dykmans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Discovery Bay, CA Posts: 138	Sounds like your graphics card is converting the interlaced fields to progressive frames which would leading to a combing effect and interlace artifacts. See if there is a frame blending setting in the control panel of the graphics card.

January 29th, 2007, 11:19 AM	#11
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	The graphics card software (ATI catalyst) has all options set correctly (no deinterlacing). Howver, I'd like to stress again that - opposite to what the card's manual says - it doesn't offer the PAL HDTV format (only 1080/30Hz is available on component output). Perhaps this is the reason? I've heard that nVidia card offer much better and flexible HDTV output, which model would you recommend?