Wedding clip for review...No Steadycam! at DVinfo.net

John De Rienzo · August 17th, 2008, 02:44 PM

This was filmed without a steadycam. Just handheld.

Whilst I may be putting myself up for the firing line I hope! this may show that one can do handheld without a steadycam. Not taking away the importance of such a device!

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

http://www.derienzo-videoproductions...ontagefast.wmv

Oren Arieli · August 17th, 2008, 04:07 PM

I think you did a great job with the camera movement and overall..the video is very well done. Angles and variety are good, as is framing, grading and effects. My only issue is that the music presents a bit of a discord between the images and the mood. I know you worked hard to provide the video with the energy that the music required...but it was almost like the song choice was working against you. Towards the end, it started to lag..and the music became repetitive.

Not that every wedding piece should be a sappy romantic ballad, but techno is tough to create a story with.

Just my opinion, and I'm sure others will chime in saying that they loved the music....so take it with a grain of salt.

Charles Papert · August 17th, 2008, 04:52 PM

Without even watching it, I think it's perfectly safe to say that handheld is handheld, and Steadicam is Steadicam. Both have their time and place, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rules are meant to be broken...

Oleg Kalyan · August 17th, 2008, 09:15 PM

John, Hi!

I though it was well done, without stedicam, you've had some great short stedi moves, handheld.

I think that style, works great in your piece, shorter cuts, go fine with a particular music score.

Spiros Zaharakis · August 18th, 2008, 05:03 AM

Very well done IMHO, I didn't miss the steadycam in any of your shots.
The difference a steadycam would do is that you could do longer moving shots instead of the short ones in this clip.

The music was okay too.

In general I liked it and I would be happy to show it to my clients.

Michael Liebergot · August 18th, 2008, 10:11 AM

John I didn't have any problem with the non-steadicam shooting.
The varying angles and shot framing were good.

The problem I had with the edit is that the footage was too slow moving for the song. Way too much slow motion for this song. The song just has too much energy for the footage and edit.

This song needs fast cutting clips, mixed in with longer clips with some slow motion and quite a few speed changing clips, like you provided already.

Especially in areas where the song had fast transition drum beats. The slow motion clips and dissolves just didn't work. Shorted length/real time clips, and straight cuts would have been better suited here. Or longer clip with fast speed changes in them, like a driving car to the reception, fast emptying church or such.

Overall I thik you ahve some good footage here, but for a different song is all.
Just my .02 cents.

Edit: also I don't know if you have any other footage, but there was a bit too much footage form the photo shoot for my taste. Especially walking shots. Sometimes less is more. Use some of the best, most dynamic shots from the photo shoot for impact here and there throughout the video. This should enhance it more so.

August 17th, 2008, 02:44 PM	#1
John De Rienzo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London Posts: 313	Wedding clip for review...No Steadycam! This was filmed without a steadycam. Just handheld. Whilst I may be putting myself up for the firing line I hope! this may show that one can do handheld without a steadycam. Not taking away the importance of such a device! Comments appreciated. Cheers, http://www.derienzo-videoproductions...ontagefast.wmv

August 17th, 2008, 04:52 PM	#3
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Without even watching it, I think it's perfectly safe to say that handheld is handheld, and Steadicam is Steadicam. Both have their time and place, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Rules are meant to be broken... __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 17th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#4
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	John, Hi! I though it was well done, without stedicam, you've had some great short stedi moves, handheld. I think that style, works great in your piece, shorter cuts, go fine with a particular music score. Last edited by Oleg Kalyan; August 18th, 2008 at 06:37 AM.

August 18th, 2008, 10:11 AM	#6
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	John I didn't have any problem with the non-steadicam shooting. The varying angles and shot framing were good. The problem I had with the edit is that the footage was too slow moving for the song. Way too much slow motion for this song. The song just has too much energy for the footage and edit. This song needs fast cutting clips, mixed in with longer clips with some slow motion and quite a few speed changing clips, like you provided already. Especially in areas where the song had fast transition drum beats. The slow motion clips and dissolves just didn't work. Shorted length/real time clips, and straight cuts would have been better suited here. Or longer clip with fast speed changes in them, like a driving car to the reception, fast emptying church or such. Overall I thik you ahve some good footage here, but for a different song is all. Just my .02 cents. Edit: also I don't know if you have any other footage, but there was a bit too much footage form the photo shoot for my taste. Especially walking shots. Sometimes less is more. Use some of the best, most dynamic shots from the photo shoot for impact here and there throughout the video. This should enhance it more so. __________________ Michael www.lvpvideo.com

August 17th, 2008, 04:07 PM	#2
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 918	I think you did a great job with the camera movement and overall..the video is very well done. Angles and variety are good, as is framing, grading and effects. My only issue is that the music presents a bit of a discord between the images and the mood. I know you worked hard to provide the video with the energy that the music required...but it was almost like the song choice was working against you. Towards the end, it started to lag..and the music became repetitive. Not that every wedding piece should be a sappy romantic ballad, but techno is tough to create a story with. Just my opinion, and I'm sure others will chime in saying that they loved the music....so take it with a grain of salt.

August 18th, 2008, 05:03 AM	#5
Spiros Zaharakis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 171	Very well done IMHO, I didn't miss the steadycam in any of your shots. The difference a steadycam would do is that you could do longer moving shots instead of the short ones in this clip. The music was okay too. In general I liked it and I would be happy to show it to my clients.