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Yunisbel Marrero · November 29th, 2008, 08:08 PM

Hello again everybody,

I found a couple of website for vendors to advertise for free but when customer request a quote thru them you have to pay like $1 or $2 dollar per customer information. I have the links for them, but I know posting links here is not allow.

is any of you guys use this type of website, and if you do. Do you got any luck with them.

Thanks

Jason Robinson · November 30th, 2008, 06:27 PM

I have used Decidio and a few of the others. I have not had ONE.... not even one pan out. Partly because I've never had a quote for anything over $1k for videography. I have 3 quote requests for $500 weddings in my inbox right now. Each one will cost me $1 to get he contact details.

I'm seriously considering changing my business model from reaching for the higher end clients, to saying screw it and just getting the $500, no edit, no cinematic qualities, just good solid coverage of the wedding and reception with quality equipment.

Dave Blackhurst · December 2nd, 2008, 02:11 AM

With the economy in the crapper or heading there rapidly, "will work for food" is probably a good business model...

Sure doing "high end" artistic stuff is great, but a bread and butter approach may be a necessary evil. I've rethunk and redirected towards a model that can adapt to virtually whatever (reasonable) price the market can bear. We may be facing a deflationary economy for a while, and I'd rather be able to work than hold out for "top dollar".

There will always be high end work in some areas, but realistically, many, many areas have suffered such severe economic dislocation that re-evaluating EVERY business model is probably on the table...

Vince Lucena · September 20th, 2009, 01:57 PM

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Chris Harding · September 20th, 2009, 09:55 PM

Hi All
My listings in wedding directories are either free or cost me a flat rate of $100 a year. Regardless of the number of views or clickthrus no futher charges are ever levied which is how it should be!!

Here we also have a "service seeking" site that notifies you when clients are looking for a contractor. You register for free and the clients also can post their requirements for free. However, to actually quote on the job costs you 5, 10 or 15 "credits" You are forced to buy "credits" from the site ($50 for 50 credits) I have been ignoring their offers up to now because not one job has a venue date!! They are supposedly rectifying this. I was wondering if anyone else has this sort of system in use or is it just throwing away your money on "quotes"...it's pretty hard to quote on a wedding gig from limited information and as far as I am concerned, someone could easily misread the info and quote way lower than you!!!

Yes, my major work is in the budget type of wedding at present..a photographer friend said raise your prices!!! However I have regular work and he hasn't shot a wedding since May!! You have to bend with the times especially if it's your living!!!

Chris

Oren Arieli · September 20th, 2009, 10:55 PM

I think the effectiveness of these types of service is directly related to your pricing and marketing strategy. It won't work for the high end. This type of client just doesn't ask for bids, go for a known commodity, or a recommended vendor. I know that my best clients have always been the ones who were referred to me. They are already sold on my offerings, it's only a matter of making it fit into their budget.

If you can cultivate your relationships with other professional vendors who suit your level of quality, taste and style, you're much better off than getting into a bidding war for a passive client who doesn't care enough to research her vendors.

As for lowering your prices...try your best not to fall for that temptation. Once you get known as a low-end vendor it's nearly impossible to climb back up. I can understand that you need to put food on the table, so do what you feel you need...but don't be in a rush to become the cheapest in your area.

Chris Harding · September 21st, 2009, 12:30 AM

Actually dual branding is a clever way to handle both high end and budget shoots.

You can have your high end production company with it's own website and then always refer those looking for a low cost wedding to your "sister" company and website that will cater for brides on a budget.

There is a very good video about dual branding on the dvinfo website in the video section. Cleverly done and well worth a watch!!!

Chris

Philip Howells · September 21st, 2009, 06:53 AM

In my experience the principal problem of dual branding is that your promo material has to reflect the market's expectations; in other words a budget product is perceived as not really budget if your promo material is gold plated. Equally, the high end market will not respond to overtly inexpensive material.

It's probably possible to do both but I think I'd lose less hair and sleep sticking to one target market.

FWIW I think most products/sectors agree that in tough times the higher end markets are more resilient. It's the budget markets that take the hammer.

Which is a pity in a way because if you want to move your sights from the budget end to the more prestige end it means higher outlays just when you don't need them

November 29th, 2008, 08:08 PM	#1
Yunisbel Marrero Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 62	ads thru another website Hello again everybody, I found a couple of website for vendors to advertise for free but when customer request a quote thru them you have to pay like $1 or $2 dollar per customer information. I have the links for them, but I know posting links here is not allow. is any of you guys use this type of website, and if you do. Do you got any luck with them. Thanks __________________ Please excuse me for any miss-spelling, English is my second language. www.hydreamsproductions.com

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November 30th, 2008, 06:27 PM	#2
Jason Robinson Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,997	I have used Decidio and a few of the others. I have not had ONE.... not even one pan out. Partly because I've never had a quote for anything over $1k for videography. I have 3 quote requests for $500 weddings in my inbox right now. Each one will cost me $1 to get he contact details. I'm seriously considering changing my business model from reaching for the higher end clients, to saying screw it and just getting the $500, no edit, no cinematic qualities, just good solid coverage of the wedding and reception with quality equipment.

December 2nd, 2008, 02:11 AM	#3
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	With the economy in the crapper or heading there rapidly, "will work for food" is probably a good business model... Sure doing "high end" artistic stuff is great, but a bread and butter approach may be a necessary evil. I've rethunk and redirected towards a model that can adapt to virtually whatever (reasonable) price the market can bear. We may be facing a deflationary economy for a while, and I'd rather be able to work than hold out for "top dollar". There will always be high end work in some areas, but realistically, many, many areas have suffered such severe economic dislocation that re-evaluating EVERY business model is probably on the table...

September 20th, 2009, 09:55 PM	#5
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Hi All My listings in wedding directories are either free or cost me a flat rate of $100 a year. Regardless of the number of views or clickthrus no futher charges are ever levied which is how it should be!! Here we also have a "service seeking" site that notifies you when clients are looking for a contractor. You register for free and the clients also can post their requirements for free. However, to actually quote on the job costs you 5, 10 or 15 "credits" You are forced to buy "credits" from the site ($50 for 50 credits) I have been ignoring their offers up to now because not one job has a venue date!! They are supposedly rectifying this. I was wondering if anyone else has this sort of system in use or is it just throwing away your money on "quotes"...it's pretty hard to quote on a wedding gig from limited information and as far as I am concerned, someone could easily misread the info and quote way lower than you!!! Yes, my major work is in the budget type of wedding at present..a photographer friend said raise your prices!!! However I have regular work and he hasn't shot a wedding since May!! You have to bend with the times especially if it's your living!!! Chris

September 20th, 2009, 10:55 PM	#6
Oren Arieli Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 918	I think the effectiveness of these types of service is directly related to your pricing and marketing strategy. It won't work for the high end. This type of client just doesn't ask for bids, go for a known commodity, or a recommended vendor. I know that my best clients have always been the ones who were referred to me. They are already sold on my offerings, it's only a matter of making it fit into their budget. If you can cultivate your relationships with other professional vendors who suit your level of quality, taste and style, you're much better off than getting into a bidding war for a passive client who doesn't care enough to research her vendors. As for lowering your prices...try your best not to fall for that temptation. Once you get known as a low-end vendor it's nearly impossible to climb back up. I can understand that you need to put food on the table, so do what you feel you need...but don't be in a rush to become the cheapest in your area.

September 21st, 2009, 12:30 AM	#7
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Actually dual branding is a clever way to handle both high end and budget shoots. You can have your high end production company with it's own website and then always refer those looking for a low cost wedding to your "sister" company and website that will cater for brides on a budget. There is a very good video about dual branding on the dvinfo website in the video section. Cleverly done and well worth a watch!!! Chris

September 21st, 2009, 06:53 AM	#8
Philip Howells Trustee Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 1,212	In my experience the principal problem of dual branding is that your promo material has to reflect the market's expectations; in other words a budget product is perceived as not really budget if your promo material is gold plated. Equally, the high end market will not respond to overtly inexpensive material. It's probably possible to do both but I think I'd lose less hair and sleep sticking to one target market. FWIW I think most products/sectors agree that in tough times the higher end markets are more resilient. It's the budget markets that take the hammer. Which is a pity in a way because if you want to move your sights from the budget end to the more prestige end it means higher outlays just when you don't need them