Another Getting Ready Montage at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · October 18th, 2004, 10:14 PM

A little backstory on this clip. It's actually a re-edit. This wedding was shot 2 years ago and was edited by my assistant. I watched the finished product and wasn't quite happy with the results. I talked to the groom which happens to be a personal friend of mine (an incredible musician too *2 Caregie Hall Appearances*- he's the one who wrote and composed the original score for my documentary a few years back). Anyway I agreed to re-edit the entire video. We lost touch for long periods of time- and we finally touched base and I began re-editing the wedding this weekend.

At the time these shots were taken I was shooting with a GL-1 and a DVX100. This also was one of the only weddings I did any glidecam work (albiet very subtle). My camera work has improved a great deal since then...well maybe I should say my composition. The only real movement in the outdoor shots is very rigid and lateral (shot from a tripod). No rolling dutch angles or crane shots. I've learned to think much more creatively during my shot aquisitions.

Here it is- not as "fancy" as some of my previous stuff but keep in mind I had to work with footage shot a very long time ago....

http://www.dv-help.com/g.elliott/Gilcrest%20Prep.wmv

George Sam · October 18th, 2004, 10:51 PM

Wow Glen, let me be the first to have the pleasure to express what a wonderful job you have done.

It is very very inspirational and brings a lot of emotions. I particularly enjoyed the openning sequence with the very beautiful and lush green landscape and the amazing house.

Very well done and I really can't wait to see your next masterpiece with your 'improvement' with the camera since that video.

One little critique if I may, I didn't quite like the part where the groom appears to be talking, perhaps pick another shot. That's just a personal preference. ... Sorry, it was the littlest thing I could find to critique on.

Very very good camera work and very professional. It feels a lot like a cinematic experience than a wedding video.

Rainer Hoffmann · October 19th, 2004, 02:42 AM

I'm very, very impressed, Glen.

To me this looks all pretty much like it was done on a big budget film set (and I've seen the other stuff you posted recently)! Great work, man. Let's see more of it.

Glen Elliott · October 21st, 2004, 07:25 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by George Sam : Wow Glen, let me be the first to have the pleasure to express what a wonderful job you have done.
Thank you.

It is very very inspirational and brings a lot of emotions. I particularly enjoyed the openning sequence with the very beautiful and lush green landscape and the amazing house.
Yeah- I felt what this clip lacked in flash made up for in personal, emotional shots. Looking at the footage and setting- I wanted a different pace for this footage.

Very well done and I really can't wait to see your next masterpiece with your 'improvement' with the camera since that video.

One little critique if I may, I didn't quite like the part where the groom appears to be talking, perhaps pick another shot. That's just a personal preference. ... Sorry, it was the littlest thing I could find to critique on.
Good point. I, myself, do not like footage of people talking without audio. In fact I might even try to bring some natural audio back into this piece to give it more depth.

Very very good camera work and very professional. It feels a lot like a cinematic experience than a wedding video. -->>>
Thanks for the kind words once again.

Glen Elliott · October 21st, 2004, 07:26 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rainer Hoffmann : I'm very, very impressed, Glen.

To me this looks all pretty much like it was done on a big budget film set (and I've seen the other stuff you posted recently)! Great work, man. Let's see more of it. -->>>

Wow, thank you. Yes I'll be posting it as I finish it- at least pieces I want to show. I'm tentatively working on my 2005 demo, compiling footage from about 8 weddings. I don't want to show that till next year sometime.

Again thanks for the compliments.

Rainer Hoffmann · October 21st, 2004, 08:14 AM

You are welcome, Glen.

To me it's almost unbelievable, how important a day the wedding seems to be for most couples in the US. Somewhere on this forum I read about rehaersals and such. Only very few, if any, people would do that over here. Consequently, the profession of the "wedding videographer" is almost unheard of. For most couples Uncle Bob's video (Onkel Heinrichs video over here, of course) will do and they won't spend any money on a professional video.

Despite your brilliant work, Glen, I think you would starve to death in Germany. But at least it would be a quick death.

Kevin Foristal · October 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM

Looks like you killed your bandwidth! I so want to see it though! Please let me know when it is back. I promise I will DL instead of stream.

Kev

Dave Wagner · October 22nd, 2004, 08:52 PM

"Bandwidth exceeded"

I'd like to see it too Glen. I enjoy your work!

Dave

Glen Elliott · October 23rd, 2004, 09:14 AM

I was hoping for it to be back up today. Check back later. Thanks.

Bobby Abernathy · October 26th, 2004, 05:29 PM

"Bandwidth exceeded" still....bummer!

Glen Elliott · October 26th, 2004, 05:34 PM

Hmmm- it's not my webspace it was donated graciously by another DVinfo member. I'll have to contact him and see if there's a problem. Thanks for the heads up.

George Sam · October 27th, 2004, 05:00 PM

Seems like the donor set you up with a bandwidth limit which usually resets at the beginning of the month.

Try zipping your file and uploading it so that you force users to actually download the clip on their own machine and watch it from there as many times as they want.

This way, in the future, they don't have to go back and stream everytime they want to watch it. Just one way to keep members from going back and streaming it because it takes up the bandwidth. It's just a lazy habit for people sometimes to actually save the clip to their local drive and watch it from there.

And.. I'm sure you know this, decrease the quality of the WMV version or use different encoding to minimize file size but still retain quality (Divx 4 and the likes) and then have a high quality version for users who requests that.

Jonathan Nicholas · November 3rd, 2004, 03:31 PM

Hmm I downloaded it.

Very nice but a bit one-dimensional in that all the shots were slowed down and there was no natural sound.

Jon

Glen Elliott · November 3rd, 2004, 04:03 PM

There's a videographer for whose work I'm very fond of who I occasionally coorespond with. He gave me similar feedback from this clip. He thought it was well done, and enjoyed it but said natural audio strewn in would add more "depth". This is something I want to try and implement.

The audio from this wedding, beings it was several years ago before I had any audio equipment...I didn't get a good capture of the vows etc. I feel the audio has to be superp to be mixed with cd quality scores. I've heard people incorporate audio in their pieces that was sub par and it actually detracts from the overall ambiance.

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

Jonathan Nicholas · November 3rd, 2004, 05:31 PM

It's an interesting thing is audio as to edit audio and pictures is more difficult to do. The main parts of my weddings have the natural audio at about 50% when there is music most of the time unless it is very loud or offensive - and I fade the music up and down as appropriate to hear good bits of banter. I've not yet used anything as instrumentally powerful as the two demos I have seen of your work, so maybe I would edit differently in that case.

I loved the opening location shots though. Just the right numebr!

Jon

October 18th, 2004, 10:14 PM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Another Getting Ready Montage A little backstory on this clip. It's actually a re-edit. This wedding was shot 2 years ago and was edited by my assistant. I watched the finished product and wasn't quite happy with the results. I talked to the groom which happens to be a personal friend of mine (an incredible musician too 2 Caregie Hall Appearances- he's the one who wrote and composed the original score for my documentary a few years back). Anyway I agreed to re-edit the entire video. We lost touch for long periods of time- and we finally touched base and I began re-editing the wedding this weekend. At the time these shots were taken I was shooting with a GL-1 and a DVX100. This also was one of the only weddings I did any glidecam work (albiet very subtle). My camera work has improved a great deal since then...well maybe I should say my composition. The only real movement in the outdoor shots is very rigid and lateral (shot from a tripod). No rolling dutch angles or crane shots. I've learned to think much more creatively during my shot aquisitions. Here it is- not as "fancy" as some of my previous stuff but keep in mind I had to work with footage shot a very long time ago.... http://www.dv-help.com/g.elliott/Gilcrest%20Prep.wmv

October 19th, 2004, 02:42 AM	#3
Rainer Hoffmann Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Syke, Germany Posts: 249	I'm very, very impressed, Glen. To me this looks all pretty much like it was done on a big budget film set (and I've seen the other stuff you posted recently)! Great work, man. Let's see more of it. __________________ Keep rolling Rainer

October 21st, 2004, 08:14 AM	#6
Rainer Hoffmann Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Syke, Germany Posts: 249	You are welcome, Glen. To me it's almost unbelievable, how important a day the wedding seems to be for most couples in the US. Somewhere on this forum I read about rehaersals and such. Only very few, if any, people would do that over here. Consequently, the profession of the "wedding videographer" is almost unheard of. For most couples Uncle Bob's video (Onkel Heinrichs video over here, of course) will do and they won't spend any money on a professional video. Despite your brilliant work, Glen, I think you would starve to death in Germany. But at least it would be a quick death. __________________ Keep rolling Rainer

October 22nd, 2004, 08:09 AM	#7
Kevin Foristal Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 66	Aww man! Looks like you killed your bandwidth! I so want to see it though! Please let me know when it is back. I promise I will DL instead of stream. Kev

October 22nd, 2004, 08:52 PM	#8
Dave Wagner Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	Bummer... "Bandwidth exceeded" I'd like to see it too Glen. I enjoy your work! Dave

October 18th, 2004, 10:51 PM	#2
George Sam Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29	Wow Glen, let me be the first to have the pleasure to express what a wonderful job you have done. It is very very inspirational and brings a lot of emotions. I particularly enjoyed the openning sequence with the very beautiful and lush green landscape and the amazing house. Very well done and I really can't wait to see your next masterpiece with your 'improvement' with the camera since that video. One little critique if I may, I didn't quite like the part where the groom appears to be talking, perhaps pick another shot. That's just a personal preference. ... Sorry, it was the littlest thing I could find to critique on. Very very good camera work and very professional. It feels a lot like a cinematic experience than a wedding video.

October 21st, 2004, 07:25 AM	#4
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by George Sam : Wow Glen, let me be the first to have the pleasure to express what a wonderful job you have done. Thank you. It is very very inspirational and brings a lot of emotions. I particularly enjoyed the openning sequence with the very beautiful and lush green landscape and the amazing house. Yeah- I felt what this clip lacked in flash made up for in personal, emotional shots. Looking at the footage and setting- I wanted a different pace for this footage. Very well done and I really can't wait to see your next masterpiece with your 'improvement' with the camera since that video. One little critique if I may, I didn't quite like the part where the groom appears to be talking, perhaps pick another shot. That's just a personal preference. ... Sorry, it was the littlest thing I could find to critique on. Good point. I, myself, do not like footage of people talking without audio. In fact I might even try to bring some natural audio back into this piece to give it more depth. Very very good camera work and very professional. It feels a lot like a cinematic experience than a wedding video. -->>> Thanks for the kind words once again.

October 21st, 2004, 07:26 AM	#5
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Rainer Hoffmann : I'm very, very impressed, Glen. To me this looks all pretty much like it was done on a big budget film set (and I've seen the other stuff you posted recently)! Great work, man. Let's see more of it. -->>> Wow, thank you. Yes I'll be posting it as I finish it- at least pieces I want to show. I'm tentatively working on my 2005 demo, compiling footage from about 8 weddings. I don't want to show that till next year sometime. Again thanks for the compliments.

October 23rd, 2004, 09:14 AM	#9
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I was hoping for it to be back up today. Check back later. Thanks.

October 26th, 2004, 05:29 PM	#10
Bobby Abernathy Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Aubrey, TX Posts: 80	"Bandwidth exceeded" still....bummer!

October 26th, 2004, 05:34 PM	#11
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Hmmm- it's not my webspace it was donated graciously by another DVinfo member. I'll have to contact him and see if there's a problem. Thanks for the heads up.

October 27th, 2004, 05:00 PM	#12
George Sam Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29	Seems like the donor set you up with a bandwidth limit which usually resets at the beginning of the month. Try zipping your file and uploading it so that you force users to actually download the clip on their own machine and watch it from there as many times as they want. This way, in the future, they don't have to go back and stream everytime they want to watch it. Just one way to keep members from going back and streaming it because it takes up the bandwidth. It's just a lazy habit for people sometimes to actually save the clip to their local drive and watch it from there. And.. I'm sure you know this, decrease the quality of the WMV version or use different encoding to minimize file size but still retain quality (Divx 4 and the likes) and then have a high quality version for users who requests that.

November 3rd, 2004, 03:31 PM	#13
Jonathan Nicholas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 90	Hmm I downloaded it. Very nice but a bit one-dimensional in that all the shots were slowed down and there was no natural sound. Jon

November 3rd, 2004, 04:03 PM	#14
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	There's a videographer for whose work I'm very fond of who I occasionally coorespond with. He gave me similar feedback from this clip. He thought it was well done, and enjoyed it but said natural audio strewn in would add more "depth". This is something I want to try and implement. The audio from this wedding, beings it was several years ago before I had any audio equipment...I didn't get a good capture of the vows etc. I feel the audio has to be superp to be mixed with cd quality scores. I've heard people incorporate audio in their pieces that was sub par and it actually detracts from the overall ambiance. Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

November 3rd, 2004, 05:31 PM	#15
Jonathan Nicholas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 90	It's an interesting thing is audio as to edit audio and pictures is more difficult to do. The main parts of my weddings have the natural audio at about 50% when there is music most of the time unless it is very loud or offensive - and I fade the music up and down as appropriate to hear good bits of banter. I've not yet used anything as instrumentally powerful as the two demos I have seen of your work, so maybe I would edit differently in that case. I loved the opening location shots though. Just the right numebr! Jon