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Adam Wilt agrees!
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Gary, I'm writing these messages on a phone on a train, inbetween munching on a late lunch and you're analysing each of my points as if cast in stone. This is just general chat and speculation for me not a debate.
V log interests me as its something I've yet to experiment with. Playing with it and using it for critical shots is quite different. I have no knowledge to disapprove what you say, but no reason to accept it blindly either. I don't know you, nor seen your work, so to accept what you say at face value is alas a leap of faith I'm not prepared to take. Not saying you're wrong, but I reserve the right to find out for myself. If v log proves useless in low light, then I won't use it in low light; if exposure is an issue in daylight, I'll use accordingly. Gary, I'm not sure a friendly wager is applicable here, if only because you never come over as particularly friendly. Are you this fierce in real life, or is this reserved only for your internet personae? |
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Sorry Gary, reached my stop, so it's ta ra. Thanks for keeping me entertained on a long train journey. We must do it again sometime. All the best. :)
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Correct, it won't help a potential noise issue, but if it is recorded, via external recorder, at 10 bit 4:2:2 in 4k, it will likely not be a "smeary mess" regardless of noise. That being said, the noise will be significantly smaller when converted to 1080 and likely less noticeable and on top of that, something like DeNoiser or Neat Video will have a much easier time with something in 10bit 4:2:2 at 4k than with anything 8 bit 4:2:0 regardless of resolution.
My point is that although V Log may be a smeary mess when recorded in low light at 8 bit 4:2:0, it may be very usable in 10 bit 4:2:2, especially if you have a plug in like that of DeNoiser or Neat Video. Regards, Matthias Claflin |
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Really to bad they did not made the removal of the recording limit available through a paid firmware upgrade for existing GH4 owners, I gladly would have paid for that. V-log is something I don't need for my work, I could get a new GH4r but I already have too many camera's as it is :)
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Most likely Panasonic wants you to buy a new GH4r which is priced higher than the costs of a GH4 plus the cost of the v-log firmware upgrade. |
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Panasonic will be making more money by selling a updated camera version, I think most camera manufacturers do that instead of providing firmware updates to existing camera's. They do listen to complaints from their users but they let you pay for the good stuff :)
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I'm now thinking of replacing my GH2's with a GH4r and my GH3 with an AX100. The recording limit on the GH3 has really bugged me of late. I also do a bit of corporate, where recording needs to be continuous for more than 30 minutes. I've used my GH2's in such cases, so would be nice to replace those. Like Noa, I wish the recording limit was a firmware upgrade too. I'm interested in V Log, so will get that as unlike Noa I do see a use for it, but I've no objections to paying for it. I think its a significant upgrade to warrant some charge and nothing is ever free. We all charge for extras in our Business, so we can't begrudge others doing the same.
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Just to put the camcorder tax into perspective. It's not VAT ( a sales tax) it's a customs import duty of 4.9% levied on the wholesale price of camcorders imported into the EU. If the camera was made in the EU it wouldn't be subject to the tax. I don't know what the margins are on cameras but if the wholesale price was £1000 the duty would only be £49.
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