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My Sennheiser G2 wireless system died so I need to decide whether to replace with another wireless or go with a stand alone recorder. I currently have a Zoom H1 that I use to mic the officiant but looking for something lower profile (flatter) to use for the groom. Anyone have any recommendations?

I saw this on another post and would love to see how they work but they are not shipping till early next year.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/i...ophones#/story

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Sorry to get off subject, but where do you all place these Zoom recorders? I've seen them called 'pocket recorders', do you literally stick them in the grooms packet (coat or pants)? or nearby?

For now I still only use a wireless lav from the groom on Ch 1 & on camera mic on Ch 2.

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Dave- yes, the Zoom H1 is small enough you can put it in a pocket but it is about an inch thick so it might create a bulge depending on where you place it. That's why I was looking for something a little lower profile. I tried a small Olympus recorder a while back but the sound quality was not good.


Art

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iPod Touch + Rode Smart Lav+

Records pretty much all day long - 10+ hours. Not too bad of an investment at about $200. I use it as a third audio source if I need it.

That being said, I'm selling a couple of Sennheiser G3 sets with ECM77 mics at the moment...

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I too went to replace my Senn G2 system, and after tons of research, went with the Senn G3 system. Pretty happy so far. I'd love to go to a wireless/wave combo, but I need to pay my house mortgage instead.

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The H1 is too bulky for a jacket pocket - you might get grooms resistant to having it - I was looking at one of these as they record a safety track at a lower level but just as bulky now I've looked at the dimensions

Product: DR-10C Series | TASCAM

Currently I use 3 of these Sony recorders - they are nice and slim but I'm still looking for the perfect LAV mic to use with them - I have a couple of Senny G2 mics but they do not connect too well because of the locking collar so I'm still looking

Sony ICDUX533B UX Series 4GB Voice Recorder - They are great and record wav format LPCM 44.1kHz/16bit

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Zoom h1 to big the groom don't like bulky mics in a nice new suit, thats the norm is skinny pants jacket around UK so get a Olympus dm 670 then your going places...

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Steve what lav mics do you use?

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Peter i use three olympus me-15, one aspen, one azden 503, the aspen azden are supposed to be better, but there is no difference, steve

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I think there is still a need for wired/wireless solutions. So it's not just a matter of throwing out the wireless because of issues. Perhaps you should look into a diversity wireless. I've been very pleased with the Sony UWP-V6 series. Having had almost no dropouts or interference issues in years of shooting. I do corporate and event, so a wireless is crucial for me. For weddings, it's a godsend to lav the officiant, and listen in to his cues before the ceremony begins.
Of course, the best system to have is a dual system, wireless and wired mics have their place...just spend good money on a good system and you'll have fewer worries.

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Anyone hear any news on this device by Juicedlink?
The Adorable Juicedlink Little DARling Distributed Audio Recorder | explora
I saw the NAB promo on this quite awhile ago but nothing since. B&H has it listed as coming soon.

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Anyone got any suggestions what to look for a budget/reasonably priced wireless handheld microphone that can be powered by its self and as a portable receiver unit so it can plug into either a camera or audio recorder?

Only want this option for getting clear sound during the speeches.

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H1s are too bulky? Really? Most of my grooms have happily worn a Sony M10, which is a great recorder that I feel is too bulky. Eventually, I'll switch to the TASCAMs, but not for the forseeable future. Invested a lot in the M10s to begin with, and the pant pocket is a great alternative.

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Zoom H1 bulky??
Yes but i have been trading for 10 years with over 500 weddings and just about every groom moans over the zoom H1 bulkiness in their pockets well most of the 37 weddings this year have. I like my grooms to be comfy.

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The Zoom H1 is definitely too bulky for a pocket. Sadly Yamaha stopped selling the excellent Pocketrak C24 Pocket Recorder a couple of years ago as these really are pocket-sized. Happily I still have a couple if I ever need them. I also have a Sennheiser G3 system as there is no substitute for wireless sometimes they also have lovely lav microphones which give a lovely rich sound.

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So what's the solution to this dilema?
My nephew refused to wear the H1 in his tightly fitting suit jacket pocket at his recent wedding. He's the first one to complain, but I'm expecting more.
The dimensions "thickness" of some of the suggestions here, aren't much of an improvement on the H1
So I'd like to repeat the OPs question!!!!
"looking for something lower profile (flatter) to use for the groom. Anyone have any recommendations?"

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anyone remember the iRivers? :)

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I have a couple of Zoom H1s and a couple of Sony ICD-PX312s. The Sony's only record MP3, although there are other versions in the same body size that record WAV. Personally I think that MP3 is very acceptable for recording the vows if you use the higher settings. Some people get vey precious about wav for audio recording, but mp3 is good enough for millions of MP3 players for music which I think is more demanding than basic voice recording. Anyway, never been a problem for me.

In my opinion, the H1 is too bulky for an inside pocket, whereas the Sony is much smaller and slimmer. I have attached a couple of grainy pics taken with the iPad to give an idea of size difference.

Roger

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Could only upload 1 pic, so here is the other.

Roger

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Problem with the H1 is the mics on the top, which when attaching the unit to a lapel are redundant, but do take up a lot of space and pad out the top somewhat. Lapel mic attachment is on the side, which can be awkward. I have used it once or twice, but it's just too bulky. I've got these olympus pocket recorders now and even a little fabric pouch for them to sit in. Lapel mic connection is at the top and it slips quite comfortably into the pocket. I think the lower profile the better.

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Hi Roger

How bulky are your 2.4Ghz wireless transmitters in comparison to the Sony Recorders??? I usually run a lav cable inside the jacket and drop a transmitter into a side trouser pocket if the breast inside pocket is too tight a fit ..It is still hidden there!

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Olympus dm670...

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Attached a pic to show relative sizes of Sony, H1 and Boya TX. The Boya is thinner than the H1 and slightly thicker than the Sony. Shorter than either and about twice as wide a both. It fits into an inside pocket with no problem and nobody has queried the size. Being a regular shape probably also helps and there is a belt clip if you want to attach it elsewhere. I thought you had already ordered one?

Roger

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The Yamaha C24 is smaller & about half the thickness of the Sony ICD-PX312 in Roger's photo. It's a real shame that Yamaha stopped production because there is no other comparable quality recorder in such a small package. It was promoted as the "World's smallest 24bit/96kHz pocket recorder". It weighs 57g including battery & is 37.6 (W) x 113.0 (H) x 21.1(D) mm

The replacement product the Yamaha Pocketrak PR7 looks lot a bulkier but according to the specifications isn't all that much bigger at 46.6(W) x 132.1(H) x 28.7(D) mm but is heavier at 82g including battery. I haven't seen one in the flesh but it certainly looks smaller than a Zoom H1.

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Don't think the Yamaha is half the thickness Nigel, the Sony is 38(W) x 114(W) x 21(D) mm so is virtually identical in size to the Yamaha C24, certainly one of the smallest on the market.

Roger

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I just purchased two Tascam DR-10C recorders and they are FANTASTIC! They do everything that the Juicedlink Little Darling was supposed to do except these are available now while the Little Darling has been on hold for quite a while.

I use them in conjunction with my G3 system since they have a passthrough. I plug my Sennheiser ME2 lav into the DR-10C, then run a 4" cable (which came with the DR-10C) to the G3 transmitter. This gives me 3 tracks to work with:

- The audio from the G3 system that is sent wirelessly into my camera
- The audio from the main track on the DR-10C
- The audio from the safety track on the DR-10C

The quality of the DR-10C track is much better because there's no loss of quality through the wireless transmission and it doesn't have any of the issue with interference. Having the safety track is wonderful in case someone speaks too loudly. The wireless track doesn't really get used but it's just nice to have a track where I can adjust the levels on my camera.

These can also be used without the G3 system as a portable recorder to place in a pocket that's about 1/2 the size of the Zoom H1, has a locking connector, and also has a safety track. The only downside is the price as it's more expensive than other options, but for me it's absolutely been worth it because I no longer stress about audio during the ceremony the way I used to.

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Hey Michael, did you mean Tascam DR-10C . Are they available in the US somehow? Product: DR-10C Series | TASCAM

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Michael the specs on the DR-10C say they are 1" deep which is pretty much the same as a H1 - I think I might get a few grooms not happy with that bulge in their tailored jacket - back to the drawing board?

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I've thought about this type of solution for a long time,

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Hi Steve

Problem is they have to be on the side not at the back otherwise when the groom turns towards the priest/officiant, the transmitter is in the shot and on the side they also tend to bulge out the jacket, especially if it's buttoned up. I did it once and it looked ugly on wide shots!!

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It's actually really small (much smaller than my Sennheiser G3 transmitter). It only uses a single AAA battery so it's much lighter than the G3 too, plus there's no antenna.

You can check out this really nice review where it's compared to the Zoom H1 so that you can see the size difference:

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Michael - this sounds like a good option. I'm assuming a G2/G3 Sennheiser mic is compatible with this?

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If you purchase the Tascam DR-10CS then that will be compatible with either the G2 or G3. There's another version called the DR-10CL which is made for Lectrosonics and I think it has a different connector. In the DR-10CS menu you can select "Sennheiser" so that it knows what type of transmitter you're connected to for the passthrough.

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I'm sold - will buy a couple for next season :)

P

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I see there is a DR-10C and DR-10CS but neither seem to be sold in the US. Anyone know where to purchase?

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I bought two from this site: Tascam DR 10CS Micro Linear PCM Recorder For Sennheiser Lavalier Microphones at Juno Records

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Hey Chris,

I typically don't clip it on the grooms belt, I go for the breast pockets if I can. Typically the groom has stuff in there that he has to empty so I don't get too much push back on it. My Sennheiser g3 doesn't look to bad in there so I'm wondering if I could rig this, one gizmo in one pocket and wired to another back to the other pocket.

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Thanks Mike!- just placed an order

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My Tascam DR-10 arrived today - I haven't tried it out yet but wow I love the size of this unit - smaller than my G2 transmitter. Thanks for the tip on this MIke.

Art

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That's good to hear that you got your DR-10! They are very small which I think is really helpful when placing it on a groom or officiant. I've also found that when hooked up to my ME-2 it sounds much better than my G3 system does, and I don't have to worry about interference.