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It looks like every weddingvideographer is using Vimeo these days but I am experiencing issues with playback, I get buffering, sometimes switching to lower quality (it says it's 1080p but looks like 360p) and several of my clients have reported stuttering issues while playing back.
So I"m looking for alternatives, anyone who has positive experience with other providers? Not looking at YouTube, I want to have full control over my films as a owner. |
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By the way, how do you not have full control over videos as an owner when using YouTube? |
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I have a very fast connection, youtube films play at 4k with no issue, it's vimeo only that gives me and my clients issues in playback.
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To explain full controll a bit further, I would like to have the ability to show or hide, with or without password, any of my videos. I also don't want any advertisement in my films at all and I don't want the logo from the company hosting my films in the player.
Youtube's rights over my films is not so clear to me, what I found back online said the following: "while you retain ownership rights, YouTube retains the right to sublicense and distribute your content in any media format and in any media channel. YouTube's rights aren't restricted to just those needed just to run the service. If you upload video, it looks like YouTube has a non-exclusive right to monetize your content in any way that it sees fit." Not sure if this is still the case but doesn't matter as they don't provide what I want. |
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I did talk to my provider and to vimeo, both don't know why I have these buffer issues and I am not the only one, all my clients have reported the same issue. My internetconnection is not the issue here, it's vimeo.
I had the same issue a while back with my sync.com account, very poor and unreliable downloadspeeds, same problem with my clients, then I switched to a paid onedrive account and it has been smooth sailing ever since, very fast download speeds and no complaints from my clients either. |
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What is the name of your Vimeo account? |
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It's my and my clients experience that Vimeo often has these buffer and playback issues, it's not always but often enough for me to consider to switch to another platform, I"m also not "accusing" vimeo of anything, I"m just stating a experience of different people that it doesn't work as expected.
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Anyways, I"m looking for alternatives. |
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I left Vimeo for the same reasons, buffering playback and lower quality than it should be on my fast fibre connection, I sent many emails to Vimeo who gave me all sorts of reasons - then I read the Vimeo user forums and found a whole lot more people with the same problems and with no answers, when my subscription came up I didn't renew.
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It is up to you, go ahead and avoid and put down YouTube and Vimeo, I am just trying to help!
I think Vimeo is just about the best option to share professional videos! I just would not bite the hand that feeds you. I and suppose I have to apologize for asking your Vimeo account, I would be glad to give my account to anyone who asks for it. |
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Hi Noa
Surely Vimeo uses mirror servers in each country? If it does then it could be simply your location doesn't come up to speed like it does for USA clients? To be honest I have found that vimeo in Australia is also a bit slow especially that we are isolated in the West here however I have no issues with Livestream servers (owned by Vimeo) from clients worldwide! Can you not do a path trace from where you are to where the nearest server is? That might show you where the holdup is?? |
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If bother Noa & his clients are seeing the same issues then I suspect that the issue is with Vimeo in Belgium. For a paid for service I always found Vimeo support frustratingly difficult to interact act with not least because your only access to support is via their forums. |
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There don't seem to be so many alternatives, I have seen videographers use wistia but they are very expensive at 99dollar per month. |
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You're absolutely right about that,Noa.
Vimeo is slow...all the time. And I'm in Canada. But unfortunately we have no alternatives. And by the way all my friends are complaining about Vimeo,also. |
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Left Vimeo years ago, ditching my subscription.
Aside from the player/deliverability issues, the telling sign for me is that they can'r even keep up with taking down videos clearly in breach of their guidelines (and they've been notified of them for a few months). It's as if internally they have given up. Hearing about their forum only support mechanism doesn't surprise me. Andrew |
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I've never noticed any playback issues on Vimeo - but right now I'm more concerned about the complete account take downs that have been going on for music violations etc with no warning.
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Is this for films that are private with password or films that are publicly viewable?
Where did you hear about this? |
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Saw this article a couple weeks ago and was thinking about posting here, but figured you guys already knew about it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ool/848216002/ "My friend David Medill got the shock of his life this week when he was banned from the Vimeo video service for copyright violation. His sin: He makes wedding videos, and he sets them to the tunes of Ed Sheeran, Marvin Gaye and Father John Misty." |
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All my music that I use online in my short highlights to promote my business has music in it from artlist.io and I have a yearly subscription to use their music. Those videographers who think they can use Ed sheeran songs in their online videos without paying for a license know what the riscs are, if their account gets deleted it's their fault and they should consider themselves Lucky that this is the only thing that is done. I"d say it's about time Vimeo takes action, if getting rid of all videos that have no licensed music would mean my films would play better then I gladly would stay with them. :)
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I agree with Noah. I pay for a music license or use an Attribution Noncommercial license if allowed by the owner. It is the right thing to do. A couple of years ago I had a Vimeo and Youtube user steal 24 video clips of mine. I filed DMCA complaints with both services for each clip stolen. It was a tedious process. When the user wouldn't pay for use of my videos I notified Vimeo and Youtube that the complaints were not resolved and his time ran out. They deleted over a 100 user videos and closed both his account. Then the belly-aching by the user really began but to late for him.
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David is right. We need to have backup / alternative sources of video hosting should the need arrive.
Andrew |
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This at least has been the general impression I got from youtube based on many reactions I read over the past years in facebook groups, I was also a bit surprised when Cary claimed I do have full controll over my films but it looks like not everyone agrees :) |
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If you have a license, dispute the Content ID and provide license information immediately. It is not up to YouTube to accept it but it is up to the rights holder, if it takes a while it is the rights holder who is to blame for the delay, not YouTube. Also if you license music many of the rights holders have a secondary way to notify them if your content gets flagged like AdRev for Rights Holder. YouTube obviously does not know if you have licensed music, and rights holders who license music obviously still want YouTube to content ID their footage. I think YouTube's current model is a win-win situation, I really do not understand the criticism. If you have a license you have full control, and if you have not then in most cases the rights holder still allows you to post your video witch the catch that they want to be paid advertising revenue, a more than fair proposition if you ask me. |
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There is only one way to find out and that’s to upload one of my videos to youtube and embed on my website, my portfolio is vimeo only for now but I can make seperate posts on my website that are only accesible if you know the link so it won’t affect my website if something would not go as planned.
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1. Do you enable content id for your footage on YouTube? 2. If so, what is the process for me to indicate I have a license and how quickly do you respond? 3. During the dispute process do you monetize the video? If you absolutely do not want the client to see ads publish the video unlisted first, resolve the possible content id dispute (should be no longer than one or two days for reputable rights holders who license music on YouTube, and once the dispute is resolved, make the video available to your client, There is an issue though, mostly with single instrument classical music, if the content id is wrong and you dispute you may have to wait up to 30 days to get a response, and sometimes rights holders simply disagree (often out of laziness) and you have to appeal, after that they will look carefully at the footage because they would be required to issue a DMCA takedown and this could open the rights holder to litigation if the takedown is not warranted. |
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I just added my first film to my YouTube account, the very first thing I noticed was when the film was shared publicly on YouTube, so that it was embedded on my website and playable on YouTube, my embedded film on the website returned to a photo that I uploaded at the end of the film so that was good, on YouTube however at the end a film from a competitor was shown and started to load. That's I guess is the price you pay for a free account, since YouTube videos score better in search results compared to vimeo videos if you want to be found on YouTube you have to accept competitors videos might autostart after yours.
Going to leave the film publicly availaible for a while to see if it gets flagged as it contains several songs that where licensed through artlist.io |
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Under the video you want to embed select > Share > Embed. Then click > Show More to see additional options. Uncheck the box that says 'Show suggested videos when the video finishes' All mine revert back to the first 'poster frame' of the video. I have found YT don't make it easy to find some features! |
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I've not been totally happy with either Vimeo or YouTube for a variety of reasons over the years.
Seriously I've found Sony's Media Cloud Service to be pretty efficient and extremely flexible range of options. I signed on to this back in 2103 around the time it started. It's still there and rock solid. You have a choice of various plans, Individual, Team and Enterprise. For individuals you have everything from a free account with 5GB per month to a 25GB month plan for $10.00 to a 100GB month plan for $25. You can go way more flexible with team and enterprise accounts if you want. I've still got material up there going way back to 2013. You can allow clients to view, download, comment etc. I've only ever had a small amount of material up there with copyright music and it has not been a problem so far. Have a look at this page and watch the video for an overview of SonyCI. https://www.sonymcs.com/ and here if you just want to check out their pricing. https://www.sonymcs.com/pricing/ For mass storage and client download but no play ability I use SendSpace. Used it for years and only had it offline for less than an hour. I use their Pro Base account for $9.00 month which gives me lifetime storage. Still have GBs of material stored up there as backups since 2013. https://www.sendspace.com/premium_upgrade.html If you use Sendspace I find the best way to work with it is via their SendSpace Wizard which is a free download. The GUI is just like having a second PC you are working to and from. Folders, sub folders etc, etc. https://www.sendspace.com/download_tools.html These two options have made life so much easier getting material up for clients to view and feedback on plus the storage options that they offer have have been well and truly used. Touch wood not one security, upload or download issue with either one in five years. As previously mentioned only one very short outage with SendSpace while they were doing server upgrades. A big plus NO ADS to annoy clients, customers. Chris Young |
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An alternative that would give you complete control over your videos is to host the videos yourself & use JW Player or similar embedded in your web page. You can host the video files in the Cloud or on a VPS.
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I also noticed that on my windows mobile Phone the embedded YouTube video on my website doesn't automatically load when I hit play, I need to press play a second time. The YouTube logo on the film on my Phone is also very big before you hit play, doesn't look very nice. |
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I can't answer the Windows phone question, I've never used one (all iPhones here!) As for self-hosting take a look at Amazon S3 - free for a year (with some data limits) then on per use/play basis, I paid around $2 per month when I had a few self-hosted videos on there. |
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https://jetpack.com/features/design/video-hosting/ One of my sites from a small hosting company has unlimited storage/bandwidth and costs about $100/yr for hosting and registration. Like I said, I dont use video on that site, but there are a lot of Wordpress plugins that could provide a user interface. |
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