HDV or not HDV? Confused about wedding video format.

Bruce S. Yarock · January 7th, 2007, 07:43 AM

Peter,
It IS my real last name.My grandfather camer over fom Russia, and that's how they ended up spelling it for him when he enterd the US. People come back with wierd pronounciations and spellings, though. When I had my motorcycle business for 12 years, I used to get some funny ones on the phone.

"Is this Yarcock Cycles?"
"Warlock Cycles?"
"Yonkers?"
"Is this Yak cycles?"
Bruce (whatever)

Peter Jefferson · January 7th, 2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce S. Yarock

Peter,
It IS my real last name.My grandfather camer over fom Russia, and that's how they ended up spelling it for him when he enterd the US. People come back with wierd pronounciations and spellings, though. When I had my motorcycle business for 12 years, I used to get some funny ones on the phone.

"Is this Yarcock Cycles?"
"Warlock Cycles?"
"Yonkers?"
"Is this Yak cycles?"
Bruce (whatever)

ROFLMAO
Oh i believe its ur real name, dont get me wrong.. my family moved from macedonia, to bulgaria to greece to australia..
my first name isnt my real name coz the nurses couldnt pronounce it.. lol

my last name has changed so many times, that i now use my wifes maiden name... LOL

Bruce S. Yarock · January 7th, 2007, 08:20 AM

I guess Australia is as much a "melting pot" as the USA...Btw,Peter, what WAS your last name?
Bruce S. yarock

Darren Asuncion · January 8th, 2007, 12:32 AM

Oh just to clarify things, i did receive the RAW master tapes. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to get a HDV camera for editing or even to test it.

I tried the tapes on a standard DV camera; didn't work - I made the assumption then that i had HDV footage in my hands (or hopefully not blanks!) - this is why i was asking about renting a camera.

The initial contracted deal was DVDs, and RAW HDV on tapes (the company did not offer edited files). After the wedding was shot, they revised their advertised pricing to include edited HD files (so when i asked about this, they verbally said they would add this for no extra charge).

The quality of the camerawork and editing was really good - that's why i'm so disappointed that i don't have a high def version of the EDITED work.

Ideally, i should check that I at least have HDV tapes in my hands by trying it in a HDV camera.

About it being an FX-1, i remember checking the guys camera on the day. But it was a while ago, so i could be mistaken - positive it was a Sony HDV camera (some of my photos capture the guy holding it).

I'm thinking the guys DID shoot in HD, and supplied me with HD tapes. They then captured to SD, edited in SD (cause they are so used to it) and output SD m2t files and DVD. This process essentially stuffs up their ability to supply edited HD footage.

Anyway, i'll see what this re-encoded job looks like. Maybe (fingers crossed) they captured in HD, and edited in HD, only to output to SD at the final step (hence the offer of re-encoding). That's possible yeh?

Thanks for all the advice guys. Really appreciate it.

Martin Mayer · January 8th, 2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren Asuncion

I'm thinking the guys DID shoot in HD, and supplied me with HD tapes. They then captured to SD, edited in SD (cause they are so used to it) and output SD m2t files and DVD. This process essentially stuffs up their ability to supply edited HD footage.

True - it will be difficult to (re-)construct their SD edit in HD, but at least you have the raw HDV footage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren Asuncion

Maybe (fingers crossed) they captured in HD, and edited in HD, only to output to SD at the final step (hence the offer of re-encoding). That's possible yeh?

That's also quite possible, but if they're outputting SD-DVDs, they may have down-converted from HDV to SD in camera at the capture stage (as you suspect) to make the edit quicker/smaller.

Vito DeFilippo · January 9th, 2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Mayer

True - it will be difficult to (re-)construct their SD edit in HD, but at least you have the raw HDV footage.

Martin, I beg to differ. It should be quite easy to reconstruct their SD edit in HD if they downconverted with the camera. They could recapture the clips in HDV and produce an HD DVD without too much trouble. The timecode is the same as long as they use the original tapes.

I did exactly this with a wedding I shot last year. I needed an HD version for computer playback, so I opened the project, recaptured, and reencoded. No trouble at all. Just time...

Hopefully they have not deleted the project files, and are using an NLE that allows you to do this. If these guys are unable, perhaps they could supply the project files and original tapes, and Darren could either do it himself, or bring it to someone who can.

Andy Wason · January 10th, 2007, 08:11 AM

Vito, what are you capturing/editing with? Do you use and EDL or just the same project file?
thanks
Andy

Vito DeFilippo · January 10th, 2007, 10:08 AM

Hi Andy,

I'm using Avid Xpress Pro, but any half decent NLE should let you do something similar.

I use the project files. If you delete the SD media from your drives, the master clips are of course offline. You select the clips (or sequence) you want to capture, and batch capture them but you must change the format from SD to HDV. Also, of course, turn off downconvert in the camera. Since you are capturing from the same tapes, the timecode doesn't change, and the clips are recaptured exactly.

Once the clips are recaptured, your project is online again. You just need to rerender effects, etc.

I suppose an EDL could work as well, but I have never tried it.

Peter Jefferson · January 10th, 2007, 03:01 PM

what Vito says is on teh ball, i certainy know Vegas can do this without a problem (v7 anyway) as can edius.. more than likely being in aus, the Studio is using Premiere as Adobe have saturated out market and the predomnant NLE wedding guys use is premiere (usually with an RT card)

Darren Asuncion · January 18th, 2007, 08:32 PM

Finally got the new files...clearly resampled SD files up to 1080i (as i suspected). The files look no different if not worse that the original 576i files i got.

Unfortunately the contract does not say i get edited raw HDV files (only RAW TAPES). They offered me edited versions verbally.

Because of this, I don't think i'll pursue the matter any further but I still can't believe the company has tried to bluff me with all this junk.

Anyway, thanks for all the help.

January 10th, 2007, 10:08 AM	#23
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	Hi Andy, I'm using Avid Xpress Pro, but any half decent NLE should let you do something similar. I use the project files. If you delete the SD media from your drives, the master clips are of course offline. You select the clips (or sequence) you want to capture, and batch capture them but you must change the format from SD to HDV. Also, of course, turn off downconvert in the camera. Since you are capturing from the same tapes, the timecode doesn't change, and the clips are recaptured exactly. Once the clips are recaptured, your project is online again. You just need to rerender effects, etc. I suppose an EDL could work as well, but I have never tried it. __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

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January 7th, 2007, 07:43 AM	#16
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Peter, It IS my real last name.My grandfather camer over fom Russia, and that's how they ended up spelling it for him when he enterd the US. People come back with wierd pronounciations and spellings, though. When I had my motorcycle business for 12 years, I used to get some funny ones on the phone. "Is this Yarcock Cycles?" "Warlock Cycles?" "Yonkers?" "Is this Yak cycles?" Bruce (whatever)

January 7th, 2007, 08:20 AM	#18
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I guess Australia is as much a "melting pot" as the USA...Btw,Peter, what WAS your last name? Bruce S. yarock

January 8th, 2007, 12:32 AM	#19
Darren Asuncion Tourist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 3	Oh just to clarify things, i did receive the RAW master tapes. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to get a HDV camera for editing or even to test it. I tried the tapes on a standard DV camera; didn't work - I made the assumption then that i had HDV footage in my hands (or hopefully not blanks!) - this is why i was asking about renting a camera. The initial contracted deal was DVDs, and RAW HDV on tapes (the company did not offer edited files). After the wedding was shot, they revised their advertised pricing to include edited HD files (so when i asked about this, they verbally said they would add this for no extra charge). The quality of the camerawork and editing was really good - that's why i'm so disappointed that i don't have a high def version of the EDITED work. Ideally, i should check that I at least have HDV tapes in my hands by trying it in a HDV camera. About it being an FX-1, i remember checking the guys camera on the day. But it was a while ago, so i could be mistaken - positive it was a Sony HDV camera (some of my photos capture the guy holding it). I'm thinking the guys DID shoot in HD, and supplied me with HD tapes. They then captured to SD, edited in SD (cause they are so used to it) and output SD m2t files and DVD. This process essentially stuffs up their ability to supply edited HD footage. Anyway, i'll see what this re-encoded job looks like. Maybe (fingers crossed) they captured in HD, and edited in HD, only to output to SD at the final step (hence the offer of re-encoding). That's possible yeh? Thanks for all the advice guys. Really appreciate it.

January 10th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#22
Andy Wason Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ridgeway, Ontario Posts: 79	Vito, what are you capturing/editing with? Do you use and EDL or just the same project file? thanks Andy

January 10th, 2007, 03:01 PM	#24
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	what Vito says is on teh ball, i certainy know Vegas can do this without a problem (v7 anyway) as can edius.. more than likely being in aus, the Studio is using Premiere as Adobe have saturated out market and the predomnant NLE wedding guys use is premiere (usually with an RT card)

January 18th, 2007, 08:32 PM	#25
Darren Asuncion Tourist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 3	Finally got the new files...clearly resampled SD files up to 1080i (as i suspected). The files look no different if not worse that the original 576i files i got. Unfortunately the contract does not say i get edited raw HDV files (only RAW TAPES). They offered me edited versions verbally. Because of this, I don't think i'll pursue the matter any further but I still can't believe the company has tried to bluff me with all this junk. Anyway, thanks for all the help.