Render locking up... NEED help! at DVinfo.net

Kevin Richard · September 20th, 2007, 11:09 AM

I got a project with a 1 hour nested project of 1 video track and 1 stereo audio file (two plugins on the video files 6 channel color adj tool and the regular color corrector... and broadcast safe on the overall project) that is layered with 4 mono files and 1 stereo file (all of these have a decent amount of eq'ing, compression, limiting going on). The audio rendered out just fine but when I go to do the video it locks up as some point. 15% this last time but it made it to 19% twice before.

I've rendered 2.5 hour projects before with more plugins then this with no problems before.

Vegas 7, Intel 3.06 ghz (hyper threading enabled), 1.5gigs ram (about 340mb for render preview in options) All my source media is on a non-system drive (SATA1) and I'm rendering to my system drive (regular ATA).

I'm dying here... this needs to get finished ASAP! :( I hate to be that guy on here whining and fusing about deadlines but this time I am that guy. :(

Magnus Helander · September 20th, 2007, 12:47 PM

Hi,
sounds very much like a system overheating problem. Lift the lid off computer and blow air into it with a desk fan or similar. (I spent 18 hrs re-installing from bare-bone and examining every asset in a project before I thought about the heating problem when I was in your sitation)

Ian Stark · September 20th, 2007, 03:04 PM

It's interesting that it made it to 19% twice. That would of course make me wonder if there was an activity at that point that was causing the render to fall over.

But this time it stalls at 15%. Has anything changed in the project in between times?

I guess overheating is a possibility but you would think that if that was the case the pc would reboot or shut down (i.e. you wouldn't know it had fallen over at 15% or 19% unless you were staring at it the whole time). Certainly worth trying Magnus's suggestion though.

Have you tried rendering to any other format?

I know it's painful but it's possibly worth going through a render again, noting the frame number at the time of the freeze then taking a look at the contents of the frames around that point.

Good luck.

Ian . . .

Kevin Richard · September 20th, 2007, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Stark

It's interesting that it made it to 19% twice. That would of course make me wonder if there was an activity at that point that was causing the render to fall over.

But this time it stalls at 15%. Has anything changed in the project in between times?

I guess overheating is a possibility but you would think that if that was the case the pc would reboot or shut down (i.e. you wouldn't know it had fallen over at 15% or 19% unless you were staring at it the whole time). Certainly worth trying Magnus's suggestion though.

Have you tried rendering to any other format?

I know it's painful but it's possibly worth going through a render again, noting the frame number at the time of the freeze then taking a look at the contents of the frames around that point.

Good luck.

Ian . . .

Yeah, I thought of that... when it crashed at 19% the second time I looked at the frame number, went to that point and there is nothing... it's in the middle of a clip, no edits nothing going on.

I also agree overheating would make my computer act funny in other aspects... the computer froze up at 15% last night almost 24 hours ago... I just went and tended to it just now... computer is still completely functional.

I'm going crazy over here... I think I'm gonna render out the multicam edit on the nested project so all the color correction stuff is done and it's just a video file that is then chopped up in my new timeline... only thing that sucks about that is when I "replace"/edit the nested project my buss envelopes disappear on completely unrelated tracks and I have to redo all my changes (luckily it's not a lot or I would be so screwed!)

Ian Stark · September 21st, 2007, 12:47 AM

Kevin,

I'm guessing from the fact that you were rendering audio and video separately (if I understand correctly) that you are going straight to mpeg and ac3, maybe using the DVDA templates?

Why not try rendering to avi and then letting DVDA do the conversion to mpeg etc.

To be honest, I suspect that the problem lies somewhere in the complexity of your nested project but it might be worth a try, even if it's a two-pass render.

BTW, you said no edits going on at the 19% point. Any envelopes changing value? Another wild thought!

Kevin Richard · September 21st, 2007, 10:53 AM

Well, I've tried to render out just the video of the project that is nested to just dv avi twice now and it stopped about half way through with "couldn't create edit9.avi for unknown reseaon" or something like that. it was the exact same spot but VERY close. Only reason I know it's half way is because the file is about 7 gigs and the video is an hour long.

Not sure what is going on but I'm gonna do like you said just render out the avi from the nested project and see.

I'm really clueless... I'm about to pull the HD's and bring them to an older machine and try from there.

I'm just REALLY lucky the client hasn't called like he was supposed to!

Kevin Richard · September 25th, 2007, 10:10 AM

Well, update.

I stripped off the color correction on the nested project (just two presets, one for one came one for the other and the 6 way was shared by both). After that it rendered out just fine. So then I applied just one of the presets to the whole track (wasn't THAT different between the two cams) and the 6 way and it all rendered just fine.

Makes absolutely no sense but that's the scoop.

And still any time I "replaced" the nested project an unrelated audio track would "lose" it's bus envelopes I had put and I would have to re-add them... EVERY single time. Even if it was just updating the nested project and I didn't "replace" but saved to the same file name. So two HUGE bugs found in Vegas 7... Oh well.

Oh, and can you not open a vegas 7 project in vegas 6? (I even tried going back to 6 to render it out but it said not a valid format).

Mike Kujbida · September 25th, 2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Richard

Oh, and can you not open a vegas 7 project in vegas 6? (I even tried going back to 6 to render it out but it said not a valid format).

No you can't.
Vegas has always been backward compatible (6 will open in 7) but not forward :-(

September 20th, 2007, 11:09 AM	#1
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	Render locking up... NEED help! I got a project with a 1 hour nested project of 1 video track and 1 stereo audio file (two plugins on the video files 6 channel color adj tool and the regular color corrector... and broadcast safe on the overall project) that is layered with 4 mono files and 1 stereo file (all of these have a decent amount of eq'ing, compression, limiting going on). The audio rendered out just fine but when I go to do the video it locks up as some point. 15% this last time but it made it to 19% twice before. I've rendered 2.5 hour projects before with more plugins then this with no problems before. Vegas 7, Intel 3.06 ghz (hyper threading enabled), 1.5gigs ram (about 340mb for render preview in options) All my source media is on a non-system drive (SATA1) and I'm rendering to my system drive (regular ATA). I'm dying here... this needs to get finished ASAP! :( I hate to be that guy on here whining and fusing about deadlines but this time I am that guy. :(

September 20th, 2007, 12:47 PM	#2
Magnus Helander Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 221	Random freezes = heat problem Hi, sounds very much like a system overheating problem. Lift the lid off computer and blow air into it with a desk fan or similar. (I spent 18 hrs re-installing from bare-bone and examining every asset in a project before I thought about the heating problem when I was in your sitation) __________________ Magnus Helander, Crossmediageek on G+

September 20th, 2007, 03:04 PM	#3
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	It's interesting that it made it to 19% twice. That would of course make me wonder if there was an activity at that point that was causing the render to fall over. But this time it stalls at 15%. Has anything changed in the project in between times? I guess overheating is a possibility but you would think that if that was the case the pc would reboot or shut down (i.e. you wouldn't know it had fallen over at 15% or 19% unless you were staring at it the whole time). Certainly worth trying Magnus's suggestion though. Have you tried rendering to any other format? I know it's painful but it's possibly worth going through a render again, noting the frame number at the time of the freeze then taking a look at the contents of the frames around that point. Good luck. Ian . . . __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

September 21st, 2007, 12:47 AM	#5
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Kevin, I'm guessing from the fact that you were rendering audio and video separately (if I understand correctly) that you are going straight to mpeg and ac3, maybe using the DVDA templates? Why not try rendering to avi and then letting DVDA do the conversion to mpeg etc. To be honest, I suspect that the problem lies somewhere in the complexity of your nested project but it might be worth a try, even if it's a two-pass render. BTW, you said no edits going on at the 19% point. Any envelopes changing value? Another wild thought! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

September 21st, 2007, 10:53 AM	#6
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	Well, I've tried to render out just the video of the project that is nested to just dv avi twice now and it stopped about half way through with "couldn't create edit9.avi for unknown reseaon" or something like that. it was the exact same spot but VERY close. Only reason I know it's half way is because the file is about 7 gigs and the video is an hour long. Not sure what is going on but I'm gonna do like you said just render out the avi from the nested project and see. I'm really clueless... I'm about to pull the HD's and bring them to an older machine and try from there. I'm just REALLY lucky the client hasn't called like he was supposed to!

September 25th, 2007, 10:10 AM	#7
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	Well, update. I stripped off the color correction on the nested project (just two presets, one for one came one for the other and the 6 way was shared by both). After that it rendered out just fine. So then I applied just one of the presets to the whole track (wasn't THAT different between the two cams) and the 6 way and it all rendered just fine. Makes absolutely no sense but that's the scoop. And still any time I "replaced" the nested project an unrelated audio track would "lose" it's bus envelopes I had put and I would have to re-add them... EVERY single time. Even if it was just updating the nested project and I didn't "replace" but saved to the same file name. So two HUGE bugs found in Vegas 7... Oh well. Oh, and can you not open a vegas 7 project in vegas 6? (I even tried going back to 6 to render it out but it said not a valid format).