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Fred Helm · October 5th, 2007, 09:22 AM

Hey Guys,

just wanted to share our journey to stay 100% in Vegas and produce HD show for TV. It was a journey, but in the end, and only using Vegas 7d, our show air this Sunday night on Cox Cable networks in the US. We were laughed at repeatedly during this process for not using FCP. We delivered the Panasonic DVC ProHD tapes to the studio yesterday and looked at it with many FCP eyes watching....AWESOME! We had spent a bunch of uneccesary time trying to suppliment Vegas with what they call "Broadcast Standard Software". in the end and with the guidance of Chan, DSE, and Troxel, here's how we did it..

Shot 1080i on FX-1's and 7's
Dumped into Vegas using Cineform HD link (1440X1080)
Rendered final 28:30 timeline (including 13 :30 spots all in HD produced in Vegas as well) to a "new track" in intermediate 60i.

went back to M15u with the "new track" in HDV (spitting out .m2t file) on Panasonic HDV Mini DV's
Captioned at NCI and dubbed out to Panasonic DVC Pro HD for broadcast.

Does anyone see room to improve quality from this format?

Go Vegas!

Roger Shealy · October 5th, 2007, 02:20 PM

What is the name of the program and time you will be airing on COX?

Joe Bowey · October 5th, 2007, 09:23 PM

I am editing a show and when I tell them it is on vegas they just look at me with a dumb lok on their face. I was so concernedthat I went to an apple store just to see what I was missing and I was very glad I use vegas. FCP no does what vegas has done for years. Love vegas just hate the operating system.
One prolem I have is people using vegas have different fonts and I am always strugling t find matching fonts.

Fred Helm · October 10th, 2007, 09:16 AM

Pinned is on Cox 704 San Diego at 10pm on Sundays. Vegas 10pm on Cox 48, and jumpin to Phoenix in January. We watched our first show on a number of coax driven HDTV's while it aired. Ill tell you I, being an HD junkie on Discovery and all, I was totally inspired by the resolution we got. Many viewers from the focus groups called in saying they didnt even know what the show was about because they were so drawn to the picture quality. We have a parrallel unit that shoots on 50k cams and laughs at us with our 3k Sony FX-1's...they were not laughing Sunday night. We are puting HD episodes out on TV with Nielsen ratings in 14 days total (from shoot to air) for under 10k in equipment. Thats where we are going...and fast

Ian Stark · October 10th, 2007, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bowey

when I tell them it is on vegas they just look at me with a dumb lok on their face.

I tell any part-savvy clients that I use Sony's flagship professional editing suite. While I know I'm talking about Vegas, a few of them think I'm hiring an actual bricks 'n' mortar edit suite! Who am I to correct the customer?

They'll really think I've hit the big time when I tell them I actually BOUGHT Sony's flagship professional edit suite!

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · October 10th, 2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Stark

They'll really think I've hit the big time when I tell them I actually BOUGHT Sony's flagship professional edit suite!

Isn't "Xpri" Sony's flagship professional editing suite?

Brian

Ian Stark · October 10th, 2007, 02:27 PM

Well I'd better go out and buy Xpri then . . . can't lie to my customers.

Glenn Chan · October 10th, 2007, 08:09 PM

Xpri (as the hardware-based system) is end of lifed. (You can't buy it, but existing customers might still have support for it.)

Xpri as a software editor is a part of Sonaps now (~$1? million system for news production... it's a package of different elements including playout server, media asset management, etc.).
http://pro.sony.com.hk/enews/20050323/index.html

So technically Vegas would be "Sony's" flagship editor? Though there's a difference between Sony Broadcast and Sony Media Software.

2- Regardless, you do awesome work on Vegas. The clips at pinnedtv.com looks great.

Travis Binkle · October 10th, 2007, 10:42 PM

Looks Great Fred. Times are certainly changing in regard to what one can do with under 10k worth of equipment. Which is good for smaller production companies.

October 5th, 2007, 09:22 AM	#1
Fred Helm Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 150	Vegas HD on Network TV Hey Guys, just wanted to share our journey to stay 100% in Vegas and produce HD show for TV. It was a journey, but in the end, and only using Vegas 7d, our show air this Sunday night on Cox Cable networks in the US. We were laughed at repeatedly during this process for not using FCP. We delivered the Panasonic DVC ProHD tapes to the studio yesterday and looked at it with many FCP eyes watching....AWESOME! We had spent a bunch of uneccesary time trying to suppliment Vegas with what they call "Broadcast Standard Software". in the end and with the guidance of Chan, DSE, and Troxel, here's how we did it.. Shot 1080i on FX-1's and 7's Dumped into Vegas using Cineform HD link (1440X1080) Rendered final 28:30 timeline (including 13 :30 spots all in HD produced in Vegas as well) to a "new track" in intermediate 60i. went back to M15u with the "new track" in HDV (spitting out .m2t file) on Panasonic HDV Mini DV's Captioned at NCI and dubbed out to Panasonic DVC Pro HD for broadcast. Does anyone see room to improve quality from this format? Go Vegas! __________________ Fred Helm pinnedtv.com

October 10th, 2007, 09:16 AM	#4
Fred Helm Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 150	Pinned is on Cox 704 San Diego at 10pm on Sundays. Vegas 10pm on Cox 48, and jumpin to Phoenix in January. We watched our first show on a number of coax driven HDTV's while it aired. Ill tell you I, being an HD junkie on Discovery and all, I was totally inspired by the resolution we got. Many viewers from the focus groups called in saying they didnt even know what the show was about because they were so drawn to the picture quality. We have a parrallel unit that shoots on 50k cams and laughs at us with our 3k Sony FX-1's...they were not laughing Sunday night. We are puting HD episodes out on TV with Nielsen ratings in 14 days total (from shoot to air) for under 10k in equipment. Thats where we are going...and fast __________________ Fred Helm pinnedtv.com

October 10th, 2007, 02:27 PM	#7
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Well I'd better go out and buy Xpri then . . . can't lie to my customers. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

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October 5th, 2007, 02:20 PM	#2
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	What is the name of the program and time you will be airing on COX?

October 5th, 2007, 09:23 PM	#3
Joe Bowey Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 217	I am editing a show and when I tell them it is on vegas they just look at me with a dumb lok on their face. I was so concernedthat I went to an apple store just to see what I was missing and I was very glad I use vegas. FCP no does what vegas has done for years. Love vegas just hate the operating system. One prolem I have is people using vegas have different fonts and I am always strugling t find matching fonts.

October 10th, 2007, 08:09 PM	#8
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Xpri (as the hardware-based system) is end of lifed. (You can't buy it, but existing customers might still have support for it.) Xpri as a software editor is a part of Sonaps now (~$1? million system for news production... it's a package of different elements including playout server, media asset management, etc.). http://pro.sony.com.hk/enews/20050323/index.html So technically Vegas would be "Sony's" flagship editor? Though there's a difference between Sony Broadcast and Sony Media Software. 2- Regardless, you do awesome work on Vegas. The clips at pinnedtv.com looks great.

October 10th, 2007, 10:42 PM	#9
Travis Binkle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 84	Looks Great Fred. Times are certainly changing in regard to what one can do with under 10k worth of equipment. Which is good for smaller production companies.