I'm looking to get the basics of HDV editing. Please help...

[Mike Gunter]

Hi Adi,

The slight additional pixels on either side will likely not matter a bit due to overscan, but if you are concerned, after you have edited the project, save the .veg file, import the veg into a new project, then use Track Motion and adjust the width and height of the project.

That should remove the few pixels on either side and dress up the video.

I do have one more suggestion. Make the field order upper field first and when you render out to DVD MPEG2 for DVD, make that upper field first, too.

I'm glad everything is working for you.

My best.

Mike

[Adi Head]

Thank you once again Mike!

If you or (anyone else reading through this thread) think you can shed some light on questions 1 and 3 from my previous post, I'd appreciate it very much.

Originally Posted by Adi Head

I've got three questions:

1. Sorry, I'm still not getting it )-: Can you please run by the advantages/disadvantages of using the method you suggest vs. editing in PAL 1080-50i (1440x1080) and then rendering to MPEG2 for authoring DVD? I think what I don't understand is what exactly happens when I import HDV into a project set to DV? Also I'm confused as to why I would want to do this if the final render is to MPEG2 in both cases?

2. Regardless, I tried your suggested method. Seems to work fine except for one thing. I imported the m2t files to the PAL DV Widescreen 720x576 project timeline and for some reason the width of the picture doesn't reach the left and right edges of the project frame size. This results in two black margins on both sides of the visual (like a vertical letterbox). Do you have any idea why this is?

3. Without using Cineform NEO, will I run into problems adding effects with After Effects?

Thanks!!

[Adi Head]

Originally Posted by Mike Gunter

Hi Adi,
I do have one more suggestion. Make the field order upper field first and when you render out to DVD MPEG2 for DVD, make that upper field first, too.

Mike (or whoever feels like answering) - when exactly would I want to select UPPER FIELD FIRST? and when would LOWER FIELD FIRST be the appropriate setting?


... by the way, editing is going nice and smooth with project set to HDV. Should be done by the end of the weekend. So thanks for all the help before. :-)

[Todd Moore]

I too would like to know the answer to the question,
when to use upper field and when to use lower field?

Am I right in the theory that you should set your field order for rendering the same as the project. (rendering to mpeg2 for dvd) and does it matter which you use, upper or lower?

[Michael Wisniewski]

Interlaced HDV is upper field first
Interlaced DV is lower field first

[Todd Moore]

Originally Posted by Michael Wisniewski

Interlaced HDV is upper field first
Interlaced DV is lower field first

So are you saying that if I am working with HD 1920x1080 50i I should render upper field for mpeg 2 for dvd?

If I am working 720p and want to render to mpeg2 for dvd which field order do I use?

[Garrett Low]

Hi Todd,

If you're working with 720p you've got progress video. No field order should be specified. When you render set your field order to none-progresive. That way your DVD can play progressive video if the DVD player and TV will support it.

Garrett

[Michael Wisniewski]

I've always used the default of Lower Field First when rendering an interlaced MPEG-2 for DVD Architect. I don't know if Upper Field First would make a difference with interlaced video, but t's easy enough to burn a test DVD to see.

[Garrett Low]

When you use 60i HDV footage and render with lower field first to an mpeg2 for DVD you'll end up with that stuttering look. It took me a few times to figure it out but as long as I use Upper Field First It comes out ok.

In any case, now even when I start with 60i I deinterlace (using Cineform) and keep it progressive all the way through to the DVD.

DVDA takes the progressive video without any problem.

[Todd Moore]

Originally Posted by Garrett Low

Hi Todd,

If you're working with 720p you've got progress video. No field order should be specified. When you render set your field order to none-progresive. That way your DVD can play progressive video if the DVD player and TV will support it.

Garrett

Thanks for the reply Garrett and Michael

I thought standard dvd had to be interlaced?
If the dvd is made progressive will un-supporting dvd players or tv's play it? Will one of them interlace it?

[Garrett Low]

Hi Todd,

I believe all DVD players have the ability to read progressive frames as long as the MPEG2 files have the correct flags set in them. I have some documentation from Sony (I don't remember where I got it from) that discusses creating and using progresive 24p MPEG2's for use in DVDA.

I just did a dance show where I used a 30p frame rate and I haven't had any problems or complaints yet.

If you want I can send you the document if you shoot me an email address that can take attachments.

Garrett

[Douglas Spotted Eagle]

Standard DVD can be interlaced or not.
Vegas can easily deinterlace your footage to P if you'd like.
For specifics on HD, you might check out TheFullHD > Home

[Todd Moore]

Originally Posted by Garrett Low

Hi Todd,

I believe all DVD players have the ability to read progressive frames as long as the MPEG2 files have the correct flags set in them. I have some documentation from Sony (I don't remember where I got it from) that discusses creating and using progresive 24p MPEG2's for use in DVDA.

I just did a dance show where I used a 30p frame rate and I haven't had any problems or complaints yet.

If you want I can send you the document if you shoot me an email address that can take attachments.

Garrett

Thanks Garrett, I have sent you an email.


Todd

[Todd Moore]

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Standard DVD can be interlaced or not.
Vegas can easily deinterlace your footage to P if you'd like.
For specifics on HD, you might check out TheFullHD > Home

Thanks Douglas,

I Look forward to see the site up and running. Just signed up to the mailing list.