Is this artifacting?? what is it? at DVinfo.net

David Ruhland · May 7th, 2009, 08:03 PM

please watch the first 30 seconds of this video and tell me what is happening with the fingers when unscrewing the nuts. What are these lines? is this artifacting? sorry dont know how to spell that... How can i prevent this in the future?

This is a password protected video on Vimeo

password is: ardisam all lower case letters.... thanks

Bill Ravens · May 7th, 2009, 08:08 PM

looks like interlacing artifacts to me. the solution sorta depends on how it was captured and edited...progressive or interlaced? and what the steps were that produced the output. were any interlaced intermediate renders made?

Richard Hunter · May 7th, 2009, 08:35 PM

Looks like you need to deinterlace the footage for display on a progressive monitor. What was the video format used for the final render?

Richard

Jon McGuffin · May 7th, 2009, 11:27 PM

All things considered, it's not too bad actually..

If you are editing in Vegas...

Do the following..

#1) Save your vegas project file as another name SAVE AS -> new name
#2) Go to Project Properties and change the format to progresive in the upper right.
#3) Change the fields to "Blend"

(I'm doing this from memory, not in front of Vegas right now - which is why not more specific instructions).

Then render your file again the same way you did before and see if that helps..

Jon

Danny Fye · May 8th, 2009, 02:19 AM

You've got the interlace blues...

Rerender the file as progressive and that will solve it.

As for the video itself, you could have reduced the length of it by editing out the 'zooms'.

So instead of waiting for the cam to zoom in, a simple cross-fade to close-up would have been much better! And then a simple cross-fade to wide. Makes the flow of the video much better!

Danny Fye
VidMus Video - Music Productions

David Ruhland · May 8th, 2009, 06:26 AM

Thank you all... I am going to try to rerender it. This is my first video . Danny thanks for the tips on cross fade.

Richard...I rendered it in WMV format.at 1.5 bit rate. My goal here is to have a video hosted online that my colleauges can view in China, but eventually we want to be doing DVD quality video. So any suggestions you can give me are greatly appreciated.

Bill Now speaking of interlacing, I notice when i play the video right out of my camera onto a television i get the same type of interlacing. is this because the camera does not interlace it? IS there a setting on the camera? Should i be capturing in progressive, or interlaced? Thanks again...

dave

David Ruhland · May 9th, 2009, 08:36 AM

Im still having problems trying to deinterlace the video. I dont know where to fine the project properties, im looking under preferences, perhaps im in the wrong place... I am rendering as WMV at 1.5 bit rate. Please be easy on me im new to Vegas and rendering. :-)

Edward Troxel · May 9th, 2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Ruhland

I dont know where to find the project properties,

File - Properties

or ALT-Enter

John Cline · May 9th, 2009, 07:46 PM

If there is a lot of motion in the video, you will get better results if you set the de-interlace method to "Interpolate."

David Ruhland · May 10th, 2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon McGuffin

#2) Go to Project Properties and change the format to progresive in the upper right.
#3) Change the fields to "Blend"

(I'm doing this from memory, not in front of Vegas right now - which is why not more specific instructions).

Then render your file again the same way you did before and see if that helps..

Jon

I think your referring to the Field order in the properties window is that correct? So I want the None (progressive scan) option? Is this correct? Thanks again

Jon McGuffin · May 10th, 2009, 10:14 PM

That is correect...

David Ruhland · May 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Finally got it rerendered this time with audio. Works great...Thanks...Reposted if you wanna take a look

Dave

David Ruhland · May 14th, 2009, 03:58 PM

Okay, so i was feeling a lil cocky with my newfound knowledge, and rendered a WMV file, an H.264 file, no problem. Looks great

NOW i have been trying to render in MPEG2 format to put on a DVD and guess what....

Got that darn interlace problem again. I have tried progressive, i have tried interpolate,, dont interpolate....ARRRGH.... or is this normal for a MPEG2?

Thanks

Richard Hunter · May 16th, 2009, 04:04 AM

Hi David. I suspect you are viewing the DVD on a computer? MPEG2 for DVD is interlaced, and will show these artifacts on a PC monitor. Try playing the DVD on a TV set, it should be fine.

Richard

David Ruhland · May 17th, 2009, 06:23 AM

Thank you richard.... You are correct... is there a condition know as codec craziness? I think i have it!

May 8th, 2009, 02:19 AM	#5
Danny Fye Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Independence MO. Posts: 318	You've got the interlace blues... Rerender the file as progressive and that will solve it. As for the video itself, you could have reduced the length of it by editing out the 'zooms'. So instead of waiting for the cam to zoom in, a simple cross-fade to close-up would have been much better! And then a simple cross-fade to wide. Makes the flow of the video much better! Danny Fye VidMus Video - Music Productions __________________ www.dannyfye.com

May 8th, 2009, 06:26 AM	#6
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Speaking greek to me! Thank you all... I am going to try to rerender it. This is my first video . Danny thanks for the tips on cross fade. Richard...I rendered it in WMV format.at 1.5 bit rate. My goal here is to have a video hosted online that my colleauges can view in China, but eventually we want to be doing DVD quality video. So any suggestions you can give me are greatly appreciated. Bill Now speaking of interlacing, I notice when i play the video right out of my camera onto a television i get the same type of interlacing. is this because the camera does not interlace it? IS there a setting on the camera? Should i be capturing in progressive, or interlaced? Thanks again... dave __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram Last edited by David Ruhland; May 8th, 2009 at 07:21 AM.

May 9th, 2009, 08:36 AM	#7
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	interlacing problems Im still having problems trying to deinterlace the video. I dont know where to fine the project properties, im looking under preferences, perhaps im in the wrong place... I am rendering as WMV at 1.5 bit rate. Please be easy on me im new to Vegas and rendering. :-) __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

May 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM	#12
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Thank you Finally got it rerendered this time with audio. Works great...Thanks...Reposted if you wanna take a look Dave __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

May 14th, 2009, 03:58 PM	#13
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Spoke to soon! Okay, so i was feeling a lil cocky with my newfound knowledge, and rendered a WMV file, an H.264 file, no problem. Looks great NOW i have been trying to render in MPEG2 format to put on a DVD and guess what.... Got that darn interlace problem again. I have tried progressive, i have tried interpolate,, dont interpolate....ARRRGH.... or is this normal for a MPEG2? Thanks __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

May 7th, 2009, 08:03 PM	#1
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Is this artifacting?? what is it? please watch the first 30 seconds of this video and tell me what is happening with the fingers when unscrewing the nuts. What are these lines? is this artifacting? sorry dont know how to spell that... How can i prevent this in the future? This is a password protected video on Vimeo password is: ardisam all lower case letters.... thanks __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

May 7th, 2009, 08:08 PM	#2
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	looks like interlacing artifacts to me. the solution sorta depends on how it was captured and edited...progressive or interlaced? and what the steps were that produced the output. were any interlaced intermediate renders made?

May 7th, 2009, 08:35 PM	#3
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Looks like you need to deinterlace the footage for display on a progressive monitor. What was the video format used for the final render? Richard

May 7th, 2009, 11:27 PM	#4
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	All things considered, it's not too bad actually.. If you are editing in Vegas... Do the following.. #1) Save your vegas project file as another name SAVE AS -> new name #2) Go to Project Properties and change the format to progresive in the upper right. #3) Change the fields to "Blend" (I'm doing this from memory, not in front of Vegas right now - which is why not more specific instructions). Then render your file again the same way you did before and see if that helps.. Jon

May 9th, 2009, 07:46 PM	#9
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	If there is a lot of motion in the video, you will get better results if you set the de-interlace method to "Interpolate."

May 10th, 2009, 10:14 PM	#11
Jon McGuffin Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 634	That is correect...

May 16th, 2009, 04:04 AM	#14
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Hi David. I suspect you are viewing the DVD on a computer? MPEG2 for DVD is interlaced, and will show these artifacts on a PC monitor. Try playing the DVD on a TV set, it should be fine. Richard

May 17th, 2009, 06:23 AM	#15
David Ruhland Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madison WI Posts: 340	Thank you richard.... You are correct... is there a condition know as codec craziness? I think i have it! __________________ Vegas 8.0c (Build 260)-(Upgraded to Sony Vegas 10 pro)Canon GL2, Canon HV30, HF200, HF20-Sony UWP Wirelesss Mic Kit, Intel Core 2 CPU-6600@2.40GHz-3.00GB Ram

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