Frameserver 2.6 released with VP9 support

Eugene Kosarovich · July 23rd, 2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cascio

Also, what is the benefit - is it that Vegas Mpeg2/Mpeg4 encoding is not as good?

The encoding in Vegas is better than in Architect, not worse. Vegas lets you do 2-pass encoding, Architect does not. Not to mention all the tweaks available in Vegas encoding versus Architect encoding.

William LiPera · July 23rd, 2009, 06:49 PM

What I do is take my vegas timeline (currently using P2 HD footage 23.97fps 1920x1080 and raylight ultra1.1)and then use frameserver to render to my hard drive, which appears instantly. I minimize vegas 9, launch Sony dvd architect, set it using avc 23.97fps 1920x1080 at 28Megabits per second, attach the frameserver AVI and burn to blu ray. Great image... but again, it takes 40min for every min on the time line. But no hard drive space for the render. Any faster or better way of going? Thanks, Bill

Eugene Kosarovich · July 23rd, 2009, 07:37 PM

AVC is hard to encode, so it may not be that much quicker doing it directly in Vegas. But I would expect it to be at least a little quicker, all else being equal.

But I think it's worth a shot to try rendering to that same Blu-ray AVC template in Vegas and see how long that takes.

And honestly, at that high a data rate, I wouldn't think there would be much difference going with MPEG-2 instead, which would encode a lot quicker.

Graham Bernard · July 23rd, 2009, 10:47 PM

I use Particle Illusion. Clients love the effects I can get. BUT, there ain't no plugin for Vegas. Soooo..... I do a FS into Pi and use the AVI as the background "Plate" to do my Pi effects > Save with Alfie Channel > Bring into Vegas and Robert's yer mother's Bruvver!

So, for FrameServing to another s/w option - FrameServer is a "Mean Machine"!

Grazie

John Estcourt · July 24th, 2009, 12:17 PM

Hi has anyone tried this with 9a as i am getting a crash.

vegas 9a 32bit
vista 64
intel quad core
8 gb ddr

Dugi Barr · July 24th, 2009, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Estcourt

Hi has anyone tried this with 9a as i am getting a crash.

vegas 9a 32bit
vista 64
intel quad core
8 gb ddr

I just tried with a short (24 sec) clip and it served to PI and opened as background no problem. Tried with a much longer 40min veg and just got a black screen in PI. Have to dash out now but will have another check tomorrow.

Win XP
Intel Core 2

William LiPera · July 24th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Eugene, I tied your suggestion of rendering to Mpeg first(best HD quality) and then burn to blu ray... the frameserver works faster. But it's still too long. A 100min project would take over 66 hrs !!!! Any suggestions? Thanks. Bill

Eugene Kosarovich · July 24th, 2009, 08:33 PM

Interesting results, Bill. If it was in a 2-pass mode, that would explain it, since Architect doesn't do 2-pass. Beyond that, could be some different settings I guess.

Anyway, I agree that's too long. So I would say try encoding as MPEG-2 instead of AVC.

In my own tests, my AVC encoding was a 12:1 time ratio and my MPEG-2 encoding was an 8.5:1 time ratio. (My system's pretty slow, I'll be building a new computer sometime soon.)

Once you get to 25Mb/s or higher, I've never seen anyone see a difference between AVC and MPEG-2 for HD footage.

William LiPera · July 25th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Eugene, the encoding time ratio is in the same ball park as yours, but add the burn time to blu ray and then your computer is done for long while.

William LiPera · July 26th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Several times now frameserver caused vegas 9 to crash and close down. Any ideas why? Thanks

July 23rd, 2009, 07:37 PM	#18
Eugene Kosarovich Taken away too young... rest in peace Eugene Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 161	AVC is hard to encode, so it may not be that much quicker doing it directly in Vegas. But I would expect it to be at least a little quicker, all else being equal. But I think it's worth a shot to try rendering to that same Blu-ray AVC template in Vegas and see how long that takes. And honestly, at that high a data rate, I wouldn't think there would be much difference going with MPEG-2 instead, which would encode a lot quicker. __________________ Scorpio Productions PDW-F335, PDW-U1, Vegas Pro 9.0b

July 24th, 2009, 12:17 PM	#20
John Estcourt Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland, Ayr www.amour weddingvideos.co.uk Posts: 305	Hi has anyone tried this with 9a as i am getting a crash. vegas 9a 32bit vista 64 intel quad core 8 gb ddr __________________ john estcourt www.amourweddingvideos.co.uk

July 24th, 2009, 08:33 PM	#23
Eugene Kosarovich Taken away too young... rest in peace Eugene Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 161	Interesting results, Bill. If it was in a 2-pass mode, that would explain it, since Architect doesn't do 2-pass. Beyond that, could be some different settings I guess. Anyway, I agree that's too long. So I would say try encoding as MPEG-2 instead of AVC. In my own tests, my AVC encoding was a 12:1 time ratio and my MPEG-2 encoding was an 8.5:1 time ratio. (My system's pretty slow, I'll be building a new computer sometime soon.) Once you get to 25Mb/s or higher, I've never seen anyone see a difference between AVC and MPEG-2 for HD footage. __________________ Scorpio Productions PDW-F335, PDW-U1, Vegas Pro 9.0b

July 26th, 2009, 05:32 PM	#25
William LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 83	Frameserver and Vegas crashes Several times now frameserver caused vegas 9 to crash and close down. Any ideas why? Thanks

July 23rd, 2009, 06:49 PM	#17
William LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 83	What I do is take my vegas timeline (currently using P2 HD footage 23.97fps 1920x1080 and raylight ultra1.1)and then use frameserver to render to my hard drive, which appears instantly. I minimize vegas 9, launch Sony dvd architect, set it using avc 23.97fps 1920x1080 at 28Megabits per second, attach the frameserver AVI and burn to blu ray. Great image... but again, it takes 40min for every min on the time line. But no hard drive space for the render. Any faster or better way of going? Thanks, Bill

July 23rd, 2009, 10:47 PM	#19
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	I use Particle Illusion. Clients love the effects I can get. BUT, there ain't no plugin for Vegas. Soooo..... I do a FS into Pi and use the AVI as the background "Plate" to do my Pi effects > Save with Alfie Channel > Bring into Vegas and Robert's yer mother's Bruvver! So, for FrameServing to another s/w option - FrameServer is a "*Mean Machine*"! Grazie

July 24th, 2009, 05:39 PM	#22
William LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 83	Eugene, I tied your suggestion of rendering to Mpeg first(best HD quality) and then burn to blu ray... the frameserver works faster. But it's still too long. A 100min project would take over 66 hrs !!!! Any suggestions? Thanks. Bill

July 25th, 2009, 09:10 AM	#24
William LiPera Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 83	Eugene, the encoding time ratio is in the same ball park as yours, but add the burn time to blu ray and then your computer is done for long while.