Interlacing issues after render at DVinfo.net

Vince Baker · July 27th, 2009, 07:21 AM

HI all,

I have an issue that I am sure someone else must have encountered. I have done a search through the forums and hope someone has some input.

I film using FX1-E cams 1080i 50fps and editing using Vegas 8.

I use Cineform to take the m2t files and convert them straight to .avi files using the default config.

Then, I edit in HD using the converted .avi files. If i then render as SD 720x576 PAL widescreen mpeg2 I get really really bad interlacing on any simple movements.

I never had this issue when editing in SD and then rendering using same settings.

I have played around with setting the output of the render to progressive but it is still not right.

Anyone else had similar issues?

Thanks

Jeff Harper · July 27th, 2009, 08:02 AM

I would suggest you try using the cineform files as intermediates (for editing only) and then replace the files with the original m2t files for rendering.

Another way of doing this would be to use another program to convert your files to intermeditates and ditching Cineform.

You might, in the future try downloading the trial version of Vasst "Gearshift" (fully functional BTW) and using that program to do everything for you.

I use Gearshift as it automates the process. It makes your proxies for you and changes them out with the original clips, back and forth anytime with a simple click of the mouse.

Ian Stark · July 27th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Vince, have you changed any of your clips by way of zooming or cropping using the pan/crop tool or track motion tool, or have you changed their aspect ratio? If so, I think you need to make sure that Maintain Aspect Ratio is set in the media properties.

Jeff Harper · July 28th, 2009, 12:09 AM

Vince, Ian is right - again. His suggestion of checking your aspect ratios is the simplest, best thing to do first.

Leonid Yegoshin · July 28th, 2009, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince Baker

HI all,

If i then render as SD 720x576 PAL widescreen mpeg2 I get really really bad interlacing on any simple movements.

Vince, check the field sequence - I sometime had a wrong sequence of fields in Vegas8 and I had the similar situation. It usually happen after playing with project properties.

BTW, check that you set "interpolation" method of deinterlacing in project properties.

Dror Levi · July 29th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Hi Vince,

I had the same problem and it took me some time to figure it out.
It was even worse when i did slow motion.
All I had to do is to remove the check mark of "Adjust source media............." in the properties window.
I hope it will solve your problem.

Jeff Harper · July 29th, 2009, 08:54 PM

Dror, what is this propertis window you speak of?

Dror Levi · July 29th, 2009, 09:05 PM

Alt + enter

John Cline · July 29th, 2009, 10:55 PM

Vince,

Under the Project's Properties, make absolutely sure that you have a "Deinterlace Method" selected. It doesn't matter whether it's "Interpolate" or "Blend" as long as you have one or the other selected. Personally, I just leave mine set to "Interpolate."

Bryan Cantwell · July 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM

definitely check your render as settings, you might need to switch the field order option. if i were you i'd set a loop on a small section of your sequence and test a few different settings until you get it right, then do the whole thing.

John Cline · July 30th, 2009, 02:42 AM

You shouldn't have to experiment with field settings, your FX-1 HDV footage is upper field first. Vegas should know this and you can check by looking at the clips's properties. As long as Vegas has it correct, there is really very little that can go wrong.

Now, humor me, what was the "deinterlace method" set at in the project properties?

Jeff Harper · July 30th, 2009, 05:01 AM

Dror, project properties, I see. The option is not available in Vegas 8. Not that I needed to adjust it, just thought I'd look.

July 27th, 2009, 07:21 AM	#1
Vince Baker Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 118	Interlacing issues after render HI all, I have an issue that I am sure someone else must have encountered. I have done a search through the forums and hope someone has some input. I film using FX1-E cams 1080i 50fps and editing using Vegas 8. I use Cineform to take the m2t files and convert them straight to .avi files using the default config. Then, I edit in HD using the converted .avi files. If i then render as SD 720x576 PAL widescreen mpeg2 I get really really bad interlacing on any simple movements. I never had this issue when editing in SD and then rendering using same settings. I have played around with setting the output of the render to progressive but it is still not right. Anyone else had similar issues? Thanks

July 27th, 2009, 11:56 PM	#3
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Vince, have you changed any of your clips by way of zooming or cropping using the pan/crop tool or track motion tool, or have you changed their aspect ratio? If so, I think you need to make sure that Maintain Aspect Ratio is set in the media properties. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 29th, 2009, 08:20 PM	#6
Dror Levi Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pembroke Pines FL Posts: 331	Hi Vince, I had the same problem and it took me some time to figure it out. It was even worse when i did slow motion. All I had to do is to remove the check mark of "Adjust source media............." in the properties window. I hope it will solve your problem. __________________ www.nostalgicFrames.com

July 29th, 2009, 09:05 PM	#8
Dror Levi Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pembroke Pines FL Posts: 331	Alt + enter __________________ www.nostalgicFrames.com

July 27th, 2009, 08:02 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I would suggest you try using the cineform files as intermediates (for editing only) and then replace the files with the original m2t files for rendering. Another way of doing this would be to use another program to convert your files to intermeditates and ditching Cineform. You might, in the future try downloading the trial version of Vasst "Gearshift" (fully functional BTW) and using that program to do everything for you. I use Gearshift as it automates the process. It makes your proxies for you and changes them out with the original clips, back and forth anytime with a simple click of the mouse.

July 28th, 2009, 12:09 AM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Vince, Ian is right - again. His suggestion of checking your aspect ratios is the simplest, best thing to do first.

July 29th, 2009, 08:54 PM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Dror, what is this propertis window you speak of?

July 29th, 2009, 10:55 PM	#9
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	Vince, Under the Project's Properties, make absolutely sure that you have a "Deinterlace Method" selected. It doesn't matter whether it's "Interpolate" or "Blend" as long as you have one or the other selected. Personally, I just leave mine set to "Interpolate."

July 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#10
Bryan Cantwell Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 277	definitely check your render as settings, you might need to switch the field order option. if i were you i'd set a loop on a small section of your sequence and test a few different settings until you get it right, then do the whole thing.

July 30th, 2009, 02:42 AM	#11
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	You shouldn't have to experiment with field settings, your FX-1 HDV footage is upper field first. Vegas should know this and you can check by looking at the clips's properties. As long as Vegas has it correct, there is really very little that can go wrong. Now, humor me, what was the "deinterlace method" set at in the project properties?

July 30th, 2009, 05:01 AM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Dror, project properties, I see. The option is not available in Vegas 8. Not that I needed to adjust it, just thought I'd look.