Any sort of plugin etc that will remove dropouts? at DVinfo.net

Aaron Koolen · July 13th, 2004, 04:31 AM

I have millions of dropouts on one camera in a multi cam shoot I did and I've been removing them by hand but it's getting a tad monotonous. Is there any plugin that can do this?

Cheers
Aaron

Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 14th, 2004, 12:46 AM

Not really. There is the declicker in Noise Reduction, but if they are bonafide dropouts, it's going to sense the attack point of the returning audio and muck that up a little...
A soft gate should help. Do you have iZotope's Ozone?

Aaron Koolen · July 14th, 2004, 01:51 AM

Oops, my faux pas. I mean to say video dropouts.

Thanks anyway
Aaron

Peter Jefferson · July 14th, 2004, 10:00 AM

a program called "Motion Perfect"

cost abotu 100 bux for a pack of 3 standalone apps, (steadyhand, slow mo and motion perfect)

good stuff

Glen Elliott · July 14th, 2004, 11:32 AM

Leave it up to Spot to have audio on the brain. lol It's ok because I guess I'm the opposite I heard drop-out and immediatly thought "video" drop-out.

To my knowledge there is no simple fix for this other than address the hardware concern via cleaning the heads and/or getting a tape transport alignment. If you have footage with numerious visual dropouts I don't believe there is a program that will handle them with automation. Even image manipulation software (ie Photoshop) works on mathmatical algorithms to do adjustments and there is just no way for a filter (or algorithm) to detect just the areas of the dropout and "fix" them, without undue harm to the rest of the image.

By hand the best way would be to take the frame before or after (a clean drop-out free frame) and place it above or below the track where the drop-out frame resides. You can then clone in the clean mossaic blocks using bezier masks. But ...wow...that's gotta be a pain. If it's a single frame drop out...sometimes you can get away with removing that particular frame- depending on how much motion is happening at that moment.

Edward Troxel · July 14th, 2004, 12:48 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : By hand the best way would be to take the frame before or after (a clean drop-out free frame) and place it above or below the track where the drop-out frame resides. -->>>

This is very similar to what the "Frame Fix Wizard" in Neon does. Except it will replace the entire bad frame with a copy of either the frame before or after. It WILL cause a very slight jump but it should be less noticable than the bad frame.

Aaron Koolen · July 14th, 2004, 02:31 PM

Glen, that's what I'm doing and yes it's a MAJOR pain. I usually have several (from 1 to 5 or more) dropouts on some frames, and the footage doesn't last more than about 5 seconds on average before more dropouts occur. I have been masking out the bits by hand and it's taken me about 5 hours to do 20 mins of footage. I have *AT LEAST* another 60 mins on this seminar alone. And then I have othe seminars!

I'm going to go cry now.

Aaron

Guy Bruner · July 14th, 2004, 04:07 PM

Aaron,
You really need to fix your hardware/PC software issues. You should not get dropouts with DV if you have a reasonably fast computer.

Aaron Koolen · July 14th, 2004, 04:42 PM

Guy it's not that. I had someone come along with their camera from work, to assist in filming the seminar. I had NO idea that it would be a total piece of total crap and have these issues. It's a painful lesson learnt. I will check everyone's cameras before a shoot, or rent my own.

Aaron

John Cline · July 14th, 2004, 09:19 PM

I assume that the camcorders used for this shoot were digital, either DV or Digital8, so just a thought... did you try playing the dropout-laden tapes on the camcorder that recorded them? It could be an incompatibility between their camcorder and yours, particularly if his/her camcorder was set to record in the LP mode for some reason. There is a chance that the tapes would play fine on their machine and you could it to recapture your footage (or would that be "inchage?")

John

Aaron Koolen · July 14th, 2004, 09:29 PM

John, thanks for the suggestion, but guess what. They have since sold that camera....Oh the joy!

Aaron

July 13th, 2004, 04:31 AM	#1
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Any sort of plugin etc that will remove dropouts? I have millions of dropouts on one camera in a multi cam shoot I did and I've been removing them by hand but it's getting a tad monotonous. Is there any plugin that can do this? Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

July 14th, 2004, 12:46 AM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Not really. There is the declicker in Noise Reduction, but if they are bonafide dropouts, it's going to sense the attack point of the returning audio and muck that up a little... A soft gate should help. Do you have iZotope's Ozone? __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

July 14th, 2004, 01:51 AM	#3
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Oops, my faux pas. I mean to say video dropouts. Thanks anyway Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

July 14th, 2004, 02:31 PM	#7
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Glen, that's what I'm doing and yes it's a MAJOR pain. I usually have several (from 1 to 5 or more) dropouts on some frames, and the footage doesn't last more than about 5 seconds on average before more dropouts occur. I have been masking out the bits by hand and it's taken me about 5 hours to do 20 mins of footage. I have AT LEAST another 60 mins on this seminar alone. And then I have othe seminars! I'm going to go cry now. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

July 14th, 2004, 04:42 PM	#9
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Guy it's not that. I had someone come along with their camera from work, to assist in filming the seminar. I had NO idea that it would be a total piece of total crap and have these issues. It's a painful lesson learnt. I will check everyone's cameras before a shoot, or rent my own. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

July 14th, 2004, 10:00 AM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	a program called "Motion Perfect" cost abotu 100 bux for a pack of 3 standalone apps, (steadyhand, slow mo and motion perfect) good stuff

July 14th, 2004, 11:32 AM	#5
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Leave it up to Spot to have audio on the brain. lol It's ok because I guess I'm the opposite I heard drop-out and immediatly thought "video" drop-out. To my knowledge there is no simple fix for this other than address the hardware concern via cleaning the heads and/or getting a tape transport alignment. If you have footage with numerious visual dropouts I don't believe there is a program that will handle them with automation. Even image manipulation software (ie Photoshop) works on mathmatical algorithms to do adjustments and there is just no way for a filter (or algorithm) to detect just the areas of the dropout and "fix" them, without undue harm to the rest of the image. By hand the best way would be to take the frame before or after (a clean drop-out free frame) and place it above or below the track where the drop-out frame resides. You can then clone in the clean mossaic blocks using bezier masks. But ...wow...that's gotta be a pain. If it's a single frame drop out...sometimes you can get away with removing that particular frame- depending on how much motion is happening at that moment.

July 14th, 2004, 12:48 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : By hand the best way would be to take the frame before or after (a clean drop-out free frame) and place it above or below the track where the drop-out frame resides. -->>> This is very similar to what the "Frame Fix Wizard" in Neon does. Except it will replace the entire bad frame with a copy of either the frame before or after. It WILL cause a very slight jump but it should be less noticable than the bad frame.

July 14th, 2004, 04:07 PM	#8
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Aaron, You really need to fix your hardware/PC software issues. You should not get dropouts with DV if you have a reasonably fast computer.

July 14th, 2004, 09:19 PM	#10
John Cline Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 333	I assume that the camcorders used for this shoot were digital, either DV or Digital8, so just a thought... did you try playing the dropout-laden tapes on the camcorder that recorded them? It could be an incompatibility between their camcorder and yours, particularly if his/her camcorder was set to record in the LP mode for some reason. There is a chance that the tapes would play fine on their machine and you could it to recapture your footage (or would that be "inchage?") John

July 14th, 2004, 09:29 PM	#11
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	John, thanks for the suggestion, but guess what. They have since sold that camera....Oh the joy! Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media