Keeping VEG files

Doug Struchen · September 27th, 2004, 08:16 PM

Can I save my veg files and remove the video files from my hard drive? Would I be able to recreate my project if needed at a later time? Could I recapture the tapes and reconstruct?

Edward Troxel · September 27th, 2004, 08:19 PM

Any files that were captured in Vegas Capture can be recaptured (recommend you also save the "sfvidcap" file). To recreate your project, you will need the original tapes, the VEG file, and any "additional media" used in the project such as WAV files, pictures, etc...

Doug Struchen · September 27th, 2004, 08:43 PM

Thanks Edward - I though I could. I saw so much in the class here in Atlanta - but didn't have Vegas yet . I hope you guys make it back here next summer so I can put two and two together!

Edward Troxel · September 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM

Glad I had an opportunity to make it down that day. It was great to meet Spot in person and get together with Gary and Tim again. All the Sony guys were great too.

Doug Struchen · September 27th, 2004, 09:30 PM

You mention capturing in Vegas and saving the sfvidcap. Does it make a difference if I capture using scenealyzer? I have a wireless mic going to the 2nd channel.

Rob Lohman · September 28th, 2004, 01:49 AM

Although this is possible I have to point out it may be a dangerous
thing to do. Yes you should be able to recapture exactly what you
captured the first round, but what if your not able to. What if you
are a few frames off or some tape etc. is missing.

Personally I much rather make an extra backup on DVD's or
another harddisk (fairly cheap to buy these days and a big one
can store multiple projects usually) to make sure I can easily
go back and have another copy somewhere.....

Doug Struchen · September 28th, 2004, 04:54 AM

I wouldn't mind making a backup - but at 20 gig's a game, I couldn't afford the time to burn, the disks or hard drive space. I'll just have to let the mpg be my backup and not worry about recreating my veg file.

Edward Troxel · September 28th, 2004, 07:28 AM

Capturing with Scenalyzer is fine AS LONG AS you can capture an exact copy. For example, if you just capture a tape, the first segment may start at a slightly different point UNLESS you have taped a short piece on the front so it can split based on date/time.

For example, suppose the first segment on the tape is 40 minutes long. If you don't have, say, a 30 second header on the front for it to find the beginning of the first segment, the rewinding may cause capturing to start at a slightly different point.

I always make sure I have date/time scene detection on when using Scenalyzer. If I could enter batch ranges in Scenalyzer, I could consider using it full time instead of Vegas capture. Right now I use Vegas capture for everything except my 4-channel audio segments.

One thing you CAN do with scenalyzer is take a series of clips and have it record to tape. It can then bring it back in with file names intact.

Gerald Yuvallos · September 30th, 2004, 03:19 AM

pardon the ignorance, but what is the sfvidcap file for?

Edward Troxel · September 30th, 2004, 07:04 AM

It's the file that saves the information from the Capture program. You can have different sets of files with different sets of tape names for each of your projects. It make recapturing much easier.

Gerald Yuvallos · October 3rd, 2004, 05:09 AM

much thanks for the answer Edward :)

Ron Guilmette · October 4th, 2004, 06:00 AM

Is'nt there a way to save the whole project with the video that was already captured?
Then save it out to dvd as a data file?

Edward Troxel · October 4th, 2004, 07:02 AM

There's no reason why you couldn't store the actual video files on external media. However, remember DV-AVI is 13Gig per hour meaning you would need 4 DVDs to hold ONE hour of footage. I'd rather just keep the master tapes.

Ron Guilmette · October 4th, 2004, 09:20 AM

Gotcha!

Bill Ravens · October 4th, 2004, 09:47 AM

You can save the VEG file and select "Copy and trim media" button in the "Save As" dialog box. This will save only your veg file and the pieces of the media files you actually used. It will cut the remainder of the unused video files.

September 27th, 2004, 08:16 PM	#1
Doug Struchen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 15	Keeping VEG files - deleting video Can I save my veg files and remove the video files from my hard drive? Would I be able to recreate my project if needed at a later time? Could I recapture the tapes and reconstruct?

September 27th, 2004, 08:19 PM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Any files that were captured in Vegas Capture can be recaptured (recommend you also save the "sfvidcap" file). To recreate your project, you will need the original tapes, the VEG file, and any "additional media" used in the project such as WAV files, pictures, etc... __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 27th, 2004, 08:52 PM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Glad I had an opportunity to make it down that day. It was great to meet Spot in person and get together with Gary and Tim again. All the Sony guys were great too. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 28th, 2004, 01:49 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Although this is possible I have to point out it may be a dangerous thing to do. Yes you should be able to recapture exactly what you captured the first round, but what if your not able to. What if you are a few frames off or some tape etc. is missing. Personally I much rather make an extra backup on DVD's or another harddisk (fairly cheap to buy these days and a big one can store multiple projects usually) to make sure I can easily go back and have another copy somewhere..... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 28th, 2004, 07:28 AM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Capturing with Scenalyzer is fine AS LONG AS you can capture an exact copy. For example, if you just capture a tape, the first segment may start at a slightly different point UNLESS you have taped a short piece on the front so it can split based on date/time. For example, suppose the first segment on the tape is 40 minutes long. If you don't have, say, a 30 second header on the front for it to find the beginning of the first segment, the rewinding may cause capturing to start at a slightly different point. I always make sure I have date/time scene detection on when using Scenalyzer. If I could enter batch ranges in Scenalyzer, I could consider using it full time instead of Vegas capture. Right now I use Vegas capture for everything except my 4-channel audio segments. One thing you CAN do with scenalyzer is take a series of clips and have it record to tape. It can then bring it back in with file names intact. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 27th, 2004, 08:43 PM	#3
Doug Struchen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 15	Thanks Edward - I though I could. I saw so much in the class here in Atlanta - but didn't have Vegas yet . I hope you guys make it back here next summer so I can put two and two together!

September 27th, 2004, 09:30 PM	#5
Doug Struchen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 15	You mention capturing in Vegas and saving the sfvidcap. Does it make a difference if I capture using scenealyzer? I have a wireless mic going to the 2nd channel.

September 28th, 2004, 04:54 AM	#7
Doug Struchen New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 15	I wouldn't mind making a backup - but at 20 gig's a game, I couldn't afford the time to burn, the disks or hard drive space. I'll just have to let the mpg be my backup and not worry about recreating my veg file.

September 30th, 2004, 03:19 AM	#9
Gerald Yuvallos New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Philippines Posts: 19	pardon the ignorance, but what is the sfvidcap file for?

September 30th, 2004, 07:04 AM	#10
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It's the file that saves the information from the Capture program. You can have different sets of files with different sets of tape names for each of your projects. It make recapturing much easier. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 3rd, 2004, 05:09 AM	#11
Gerald Yuvallos New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Philippines Posts: 19	much thanks for the answer Edward :)

October 4th, 2004, 06:00 AM	#12
Ron Guilmette Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hope Vally RI Posts: 30	Is'nt there a way to save the whole project with the video that was already captured? Then save it out to dvd as a data file?

October 4th, 2004, 07:02 AM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	There's no reason why you couldn't store the actual video files on external media. However, remember DV-AVI is 13Gig per hour meaning you would need 4 DVDs to hold ONE hour of footage. I'd rather just keep the master tapes. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 4th, 2004, 09:20 AM	#14
Ron Guilmette Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hope Vally RI Posts: 30	Gotcha!

October 4th, 2004, 09:47 AM	#15
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	You can save the VEG file and select "Copy and trim media" button in the "Save As" dialog box. This will save only your veg file and the pieces of the media files you actually used. It will cut the remainder of the unused video files.