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Jon Fairhurst July 6th, 2006 06:22 PM

DVCPro50
 
I know that Vegas doesn't handle DVCProHD natively. How about DVCPro50?

I did a search and saw an implication that Vegas doesn't support DVCPro50 natively, but I'm looking for a definitive answer.

If the answer is "no", is the answer to the next question "Raylight" or "Cineform"?

Thanks!

Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006 08:17 PM

Messed up external monitor preview
 
I fired up my PC the other day and previewed some footage from the timeline on my external monitor. Suddenly, the image started cutting out and then back in. I noticed a pattern: Five blinks, apx. 75 seconds of smooth sailing, five more blinks, etc.

After blaming my XL1s I decided to hook up the other cam before sending the one to Canon. The same thing happened. Different cables, different monitor, a new firewire card--nothing seems to make it stop. Capture works fine, from what I can tell.

I know that, occasionally, Vegas decides to play tricks upon start-up--like unchecking the preview window. Is it possible that a setting got messed up and is causing a conflict?

Albert Rodgers July 6th, 2006 08:22 PM

Ultimate S 2.0 Question
 
Hey guys,
I have been testing Ultimate S 2.0 and Excalibur plug-ins. They both seem to be fanastic products. I am leaning toward the Ultimate S because it appears to have more features that I am looking for. Is there any way to receive a discount code on this product?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Edward Troxel July 6th, 2006 08:29 PM

It's more likely something interrupting the firewire connection. Perhaps a network connection, anything taking excess CPU time...

Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006 08:45 PM

Hmm....there's nothing else running on this PC--no network connection, no unnecessary background programs running. It's a Vegas only machine!

p.s. How ya feeling, these days, Edward? Great, I hope!!!! :)

Edward Troxel July 6th, 2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorinda Norton
p.s. How ya feeling, these days, Edward? Great, I hope!!!! :)

Doing very well. Just got back from a round of golf!


As for the problem, any interrupt conflicts? Any other changes you can think of? Did it work properly before?

Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006 09:17 PM

That's what is so strange--everything has been working just fine, no changes in hardware or anything else lately.

I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I can't remember how to check the IRQ settings! LOL! Help a sister out??? :)

...Glad to hear you're doing so well!

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 6th, 2006 11:11 PM

You can pick up a DVCpro50 codec from Matrox.com (free) and for DVCPro HD, Raylight or CineForm. I've worked a lot with the Raylight, and haven't worked with the CineForm at all as of yet, but the Raylight looks great. If the CineForm follows the standard of quality that they've demonstrated in the past, it too, is great.

Lorinda Norton July 6th, 2006 11:58 PM

finally!
 
By process of elimination, my friend Rich figured out the problem. He told me to pull out any card I wasn't using. Because I don't connect to the Internet through this machine I'd forgotten about a wireless adapter used (without problems) by the former owner of this PC. Apparently, that was the culprit.

Edward, sorry to have bothered you, but thank you for taking the time to help! :)

Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006 02:33 AM

Hi Douglas,

Do you know if the Matrox codec solution requires an offline pass before editing the DVCPro50 content, or does it plug into Vegas, allowing immediate editing.

And... If it's an extra pass, is it fast and efficient?

Thanks!

Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006 06:11 AM

Can Vegas Movie Maker + Platinum handle 4 channels of audio?
 
I'm trying to get two separate audio tracks - one with on-board mic and the other through the a sound board on the audio 2, and I am wondering if my version of Vegas can import the 4 channels of audio during capture? I'd like to have the extra channel of audio for sound backup but not sure if my editing software can do this. Any advice out there?
thanks
dean

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst
Hi Douglas,

Do you know if the Matrox codec solution requires an offline pass before editing the DVCPro50 content, or does it plug into Vegas, allowing immediate editing.

And... If it's an extra pass, is it fast and efficient?

Thanks!

If you want to capture in Vegas, it requires an offline pass. If you want to capture with a third party app that supports DVCPro50 during capture, then you can drop it straight into Vegas and start editing, and then print back to tape using the same third party app with which you captured.

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006 07:50 AM

Vegas can't, Scenelyzer can.
Bear in mind that when using 4 tracks of DV (and HDV) audio you're reducing the sampling rate and frequency, and it damages the integrity of the audio.
If you already knew this and don't mind, ignore my warning. ;-)

Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006 08:15 AM

thanks for the advice....actually, I knew that the audio would be reduced to that of FM quality - so I don't want that....Is there a way to still shoot with 4 channel and then only import the 2 channel into Vegas and have the other 2 channels as back up at a later time with other software?

Charley Gallagher July 7th, 2006 09:28 AM

"Copy and trim media with project" is greyed out
 
This is probably a simple fix but I don't know what I am doing wrong. When I go to render this checkbox is not available to me.

Anyone have any ideas?

Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006 10:44 AM

Got it. Thanks!

Raza Ahmad July 7th, 2006 01:10 PM

DSE's Vegas 4 Book.
 
Hi.

I came across DVInfo's Douglas Spotted Eagle's Vegas 4 Editing Workshop on half.com.

I am looking for a good book to give my dad on working with Vegas. He's not too tech savvy, basically wants to use it for family videos and the like.

Has anyone seen or used this book? Would it give someone who has very little savvy the right information the right way to enable them to produce simple projects? Or is it more of a power user's manual...

Any other Vegas 4 book recommendations if thats the case?

Thanks.

Raza

edit: my bad, wrong forum, admin, if you come across this could you please xfer it over to the non hdv vegas forum? thanks.

Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006 01:27 PM

Converting footage to the World Wide Web
 
I would like to convert footage in Vegas Movie Maker + Platinum to the WWW, but everytime I attempt, it tells me that the footage is too large to be converted - Isn't that one of the features that Vegas is suspose to do is to covert a large file so it can be displayed on the web?? Or the other option is to e-mail it, and when I try to convert it to e-mail, it again, tells me the file is too large. What am I doing wrong?

David Jimerson July 7th, 2006 02:05 PM

Spot's Vegas 4 guide is one of the seminal works of Vegas training. I can't think of anything more accessible and useful for users of any level.

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006 02:31 PM

What template/format are you attempting to convert to? VMS does a great job of converting for REAL and WMV formats, but the QT encode isn't so great.
Go to File/render/ choose a wmv template, and I'd recommend using 512kpbs or smaller for most things.
What is the length of the file you're encoding?

Matt Stedeford July 7th, 2006 02:32 PM

HDV editing
 
Hi all you lovely people,

What is the best way to edit HDV, is this possible in Vegas? Whats all this DV proxy business? I can do FCP or Vegas. Which is best? I'm going to be making music vids for MTV and a comedy sketch show for Channel 4 in the UK.. whats best, DVX100 or FX-1/one of those new HD panasonic cams..

Oh.. have 2 PCs and a Mac. Specs:

mac: G5 dual 1.8Ghz, 3.5GB RAM, firewire400 ext. 7200rpm HD, 2 internal HD, mbox
pc1: AMD 3000fx, 1.5gb ram, like a few 7200rpm 200GB HDs (mirrored) or something like that, delta66 s/c
pc2: P4 2.5Ghz, 1gb ram, a few 7200rpm 200GB HDs

Can upgrade if nec

Cheers for any input.

Steve Clee July 7th, 2006 03:06 PM

Recently moved to XP - Newer PC - Vegas slower ?
 
Well I did most of my Vegas 6 work on an older P4 2Ghz PC. I recently moved to a P4 2.8 Ghz (1 gig ram) and XP. I find that Vegas 6 is slower. My auto preview seems choppy, title changes, seem to take a few seconds b4 showing on preview etc etc.
Can someone point me to a " How Vegas should be installed " article. Hardrive settings etc. I am sure there is one on here somewhere.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers

Steve

Raza Ahmad July 7th, 2006 06:05 PM

Thanks.
 
Thanks for that information. I'ma go ahead and get this for me dad.

Raza

Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006 06:39 PM

Hi DSE...it's about 30 minutes of footage captured in 16bit SP quality.

Dean Orewiler July 7th, 2006 06:41 PM

I was hoping on QT...but I could do it in another format.

Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006 06:46 PM

I believe that you need to own Quicktime Pro and have it enabled on your computer to render to Quicktime from Vegas. If not, expect an error message.

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 7th, 2006 08:43 PM

No, you don't need QT Pro.
First, I wouldn't use Vegas for rendering to QT. Vegas just doesn't excel at QT anything.
Second, I'd really HATE to see any video 30 mins long on the web in QT unless you were positive that you have a Helix or other QT server so it's not a download, it's a stream.
Third, I assume you're using MP4, or Sorenson, and only MP4 will look decent at reasonably low bitrates, but VMS doesn't have the MP4 option.

Jon Fairhurst July 7th, 2006 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle
No, you don't need QT Pro.

Oops. My bad. Maybe that was true on an older version? (I've been using Vegas since 2.0.) Or maybe I got confused and gave Apple more money than I needed to!

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 8th, 2006 08:37 AM

You've got a lot of questions that are unrelated. Editing HDV in Vegas can easily be done. If you have a slower/older computer, you'll want to edit with proxies, and then swap out proxies for render.
As far as which camera is better, DVX or FX1...you'll need to ask those questions in the appropriate forums.
Regarding which is "best" out of Vegas and FCS, that's an opinion question, not a "fact" question, and asking about FCS in a Vegas forum and vice versa won't give you the answers you're looking for. In this forum, most of us prefer Vegas. I use both, I prefer Vegas.

Jim Hawley July 8th, 2006 12:19 PM

Splitting AVI's without rendering
 
Another newbie question...

I have several projects that use short clips from a large AVI file. For storage reasons, I would like to delete the large AVI file but in case I want to re-render the projects that use its clips, I would like to save those clips as separate AVI's.

Is there a way to do this without individually rendering each clip to an AVI?

I hope this makes sense. Thanks again,

Jim

Seth Bloombaum July 8th, 2006 12:30 PM

There is a handy checkbox in the save-as dialog, "copy and trim media with project". More info about this in the help file and pdf manual, but I think it's what you want.

This will in turn bring up another dialog where you can select to trim the media to what you've used, plus a an extra amount of heads and tails.

Steve House July 8th, 2006 01:04 PM

DSE's books are outstanding, by all means get a copy. BUT the current version of Vegas and the most recent edition of Vegas Editing Workshop is for version 6. Why get the out of date version when the current edition is readily available? We're not talking about a fortune for the difference in cost between the two editions here. I personally owned Editing Workshop of Vegas 5 and ordered the version 6 edition as soon as it came out, even though 5 wasn't even dog-eared yet. There couldn't be more than about a $20 or so difference in price.

Jim Hawley July 8th, 2006 01:08 PM

That is exactly what I was looking for. I guess I just did not look hard enough.

Thank you Seth!

Paul Grove July 9th, 2006 07:11 AM

Sony Movie Studio ... Editing Question.
 
Hi all - guess I might be missing something obvious but ...

I put a series of scenes with associated sound on the timeline. Then I decide to either another scene at the beginning or at another point between scenes. Question - how do I shift everything on the timeline to the right and preserve existing edits? If I move an existing scene to the right it seems to increase the overlap on the following scene.

Newbie here to Movie Studio here!

Paul.

Randy Stewart July 9th, 2006 10:22 AM

Paul,
Several ways to do it. Click first event (scene, sound file), shift click all other timeline first events, then holding the cursor over one of the selected events, right click, select events to end from the pop-up window. Now you can drag everything. Another way is to group up all of the event you want to move (select them all, right click, group, create new or use the shortcut by pressing G after selecting the all), then drag them. Also, turn ripple effect on (button at top of screen), insert your clip by dragging and dropping where you want it, all events after will move to the right. Or, I think you can insert time in VMS from the insert menu too. Not sure about that. Anyway, hope this helps. I'm sure others will post with different methods too.
Randy

David Mintzer July 9th, 2006 10:25 AM

If its like Vegas:

1. Place cursor where you want it. Right click on event and choose select all events to the end. (will select all events to the right of the cursor)
2. Move to the right.

There are other ways to do it but this one is pretty quick.

Harry Burnette July 9th, 2006 04:02 PM

Best Practice for HC3
 
I have just gotten my HC3, and am interested in the best approach for creating DVD format from and HDV master.

What would be useful to me (and maybe others), is a step by step tried and true approach.

My goal is to shoot all my masters in HD, but do all my video projects in DV format on DVD.

Should the video be injested as DV (using the camera's downconvert), or brought in thru Cineform and edited using Cineform intermediates? What settings should the project be set to and what setting would result in the best DVD render?

Thanks in advance. The response to this might be a good "sticky" thread.

Harry Burnette

Brian Luce July 9th, 2006 08:12 PM

capture question
 
I've been playing around with vegas 5. when I capture clip, the same clip is represent several times in the media bin but a different thumbnail is used to represent the same clip. seems redundant. is this normal?

David Jimerson July 9th, 2006 08:32 PM

Are you sure it's not different clips generated by scene detection?

Douglas Spotted Eagle July 9th, 2006 09:46 PM

The answer is...there is no answer.
If you have the full CineForm product, it's likely the best way for you to work.
If you have a fast computer.
If you have a slow computer, then the CineForm product may or may not be of great benefit to you, and editing native HDV (painful) or using proxies is the best solution for you.
If you ever plan on returning to HD with your projects, ingesting as DV will never do you any good, because there is no frame accurate recapture of HDV.


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