DVD image is too large - shouldn't be

[Arthur Maravelis]

My first post here and it would have to be a probable stupid one. Using Vegas 10 and all of a sudden I'm having an issue burning to DVD.

I previously burned two small projects (1280x720x30p) successfully to DVD but now Vegas is showing larger estimated file sizes as follows:

1. 43:58 mins, 3.38GB
2. 62:25 mins, 4.80GB, obviously I cannot proceed to burn this one

I must have changed a simple setting somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

Any help appreciated.

[Mike Kujbida]

Are these Blu-Ray or SD projects?
What bit rate did you use (i.e. custom or a default template)?
If this is what DVDA is telling you, I'd ignore the warning as it has a very long history of incorrectly reporting file sizes.
Click the next button and odds are that it will proceed as normal with no further interruptions.

[Don Bloom]

The other thing you can do if you're burning from DVDA then go into the Explorer and check to see the file size. DVDA is known for telling you the project is too big and from what I've seen it's about 1/2 gig too big.
Not true in most cases. I always check the size in Explorer.

[Arthur Maravelis]

SD
I am doing a direct burn in Vegas not DVDA.
I cannot get past the error window.

[Mike Kujbida]

Don, I've had DVDA tell me my file is 50% bigger than it really was.
I've complained to Sony about this for a long time but it still hasn't been fixed :(

[Arthur Maravelis]

My project template is HD 720-60p actually.

I just dragged a 1:15 min clip and went to burn. File size is 100,47MB.

Something's wrong here.

[Mike Kujbida]

Are you burning to Blu-ray or regular DVD?
What are the exact steps you're taking to do this?

[Arthur Maravelis]

1. I shot 720x60p
2. project property is basic template HD 720-60p
3. project length is 00:62:25
4. Tools>Burn Disc>DVD
5. MPEG-2 720x480x60i, 16:9 (NTSC)

So, which render template would be used here and could I have changed its settigns to have this issue? Again, I am not explicitly rendering, just burning direct to DVD.

[Jeff Harper]

You should render as shown, in the attached clip, unless i'm missing something.

[Jeff Harper]

Sorry, you're trying to burn from Vegas, missed that. I've never done it. I always have rendered for DVDA, then burned from here.

[Leslie Wand]

not had problems with 45min from tl, but 62min might be pushing it....

[Jeff Harper]

Leslie, thing is, any properly rendered file for DVD under 90 minutes should fit, as the file sizes are the same after processing, regardless of the original camera for files. I suspect he is using improper settings.

Heck, for DVD some will reduce bit rates to fit over two hours of footage on a DVD. I wouldn't care for the quality, myself, but that is irrelevant I guess.

[Leslie Wand]

hi jeff,

i can't remember where i read it (maybe over at scs), but it seems the default dvd from tl in at highest bit rate (8.5?).

i've never tried with anything over 45min so i don't know...

[Arthur Maravelis]

I'm new to this but I thought up to two hours can fit on a standard DVD - say with about 5Mbps average rate?

As for settings being wrong, again, where are the settings for burning directly to DVD in Vegas? Since we're using MPEG-2, if I change the render settings in that STANDARDcodec do they remain changed for future projects? I'm rendering right now to compare file sizes so can't check this.

[Edward Troxel]

Here's the bottom line - your bit-rate is too high. It just so happened that your first burn was short enough to use the higher bitrate but your second one it too long for that same bitrate. A lower bitrate needs to be used. I don't typically burn direct from the timeline so I don't know if the bitrate can be changed there. Typically I render out to an MPEG2 file using the appropriate bitrate and then use DVD Architect to create the DVD.