Multicam editing

Marius Boruch · October 5th, 2011, 10:41 AM

I am trying to use it for the first time and I can't CC. I CC each video track but it doesn't work (see attached). What needs to be done to use CC files in simple multicam editing. IT IS NOT A ROCKET SCIENCE, SONY!!!.
Is it possible at all?
(but please don't tell me that I must render each file with CC before I use it in my project, it would be just plain stupid).

Edward Troxel · October 5th, 2011, 11:39 AM

You have to color correct the MEDIA on the Project Media tab. Then it will carry across to the Master track. You can't color correct at the track or event level and use the built-in multi-cam feature.

If you want to use a third party multi-cam (i.e. Excalibur or Ultimate S), then you can color correct at the event level and it will be carried over to the master track.

Marius Boruch · October 5th, 2011, 11:47 AM

I thought I did it (I color corrected the main media tabs of each track - see attached image) Isn't it that Media Tab you are referring to?

Edward Troxel · October 5th, 2011, 12:42 PM

No. You added to the TRACK. Look at the tabbed area above where you have Explorer, Transitions, Video FX, and you'll also see one called Project Media. Go to that tab and then do your color corrections there. At this point I would copy the color corrections from your tracks to the correct media in the Project Media tab. Then you can delete them off the tracks.

Marius Boruch · October 5th, 2011, 01:24 PM

Thank you Edward. Would it be easier if we could do that simply in track field. It was known limitations in version nr8, was not addressed in V9 and now we have V10 and 11 coming any day. Again, It is not a rocket science for programmers.
On the other hand it is so irritating when in Plug-In Chooser - in Video Event FX window it is impossible to double click on particular filter (for example Sony Color Corrector) to be added to media instead it must be clicked once (highlighted) and then you have to move the mouse to the right and click OK. So annoying.

Gerald Webb · October 5th, 2011, 03:08 PM

FWIW, The last few multi's Ive done Ive used this workflow, may be of use to some people.

Have each cam in a separate project, get it set up, arrange any gaps etc.
Save as a veg.
Drag the vegs into your multicam project, sync, make your multicam track.
Do all your cutting.
Sounds simple, benefit is,
You can do your initial CC in each cams separate project so when you are cutting in the Multicam project you are looking at the CC'd version without the slow down in preview because Vegas has already made a SFAP0 image of the file.
If you want to tweak the CC on the cams, you can just have all your cams open in separate comps,
eg. Go back to cam1 project, drop a little more red out with curves, return to the multicam comp, wait about 10 secs for the new SFAP0 file to be built, and you are previewing again like there are no FX on the cam.
There is no reason why you cant apply CC to your Multicam project at an event level if you had a very dark or very light shot, or you want special FX on certain shots.
This is more for the "Look" of the whole project, example below.

Jeff Harper · October 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM

Another solution is to use Ultimate S or Vasst Multicam for Vegas, then all of these issues are moot. I'm sure this is also the case with Excalibur. You apply any FX at anytime during the project, color correcting as you go along in Multicam mode, or whatever. Multicamera editing using these programs does not effect anything else about the tracks. I never understood this aspect of Vegas multicam.

I understand that the multicam feature comes with Vegas and is free, but I've never been tempted to use it, it's too unfriendly for me, just like the titling feature.

Marius Boruch · October 5th, 2011, 11:39 PM

Jeff,
I agree with you! The titling tool of Vegas is just horrible. It is so complicated and it looks like it was deisgned using different than Vegas logic. I am familiar with After Effects but this software is a piece of work.
Would you believe they don't even have lower-thirds quick templates. For those who would like to design quickly lower-third good luck...

Leslie Wand · October 6th, 2011, 12:42 AM

oh boy, let's not go there!!!!!

talk about an abomination.....

Jeff Harper · October 6th, 2011, 01:00 AM

Ultimate S and (I think) Excalibur have lower thirds as well as multicamera, and photomontage tools, audio tools, the list is actually too long to list. Trials are completely functional.

Steven Davis · October 7th, 2011, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

You have to color correct the MEDIA on the Project Media tab. Then it will carry across to the Master track. You can't color correct at the track or event level and use the built-in multi-cam feature.

If you want to use a third party multi-cam (i.e. Excalibur or Ultimate S), then you can color correct at the event level and it will be carried over to the master track.

Yes, use Excalibur, I lost two religions trying to use the built-in multi cam feature on Vegas.

Leslie Wand · October 7th, 2011, 05:20 PM

hey steven, REM did it without an nle ;-)

Steven Davis · October 7th, 2011, 06:29 PM

Lol, took me a second

October 5th, 2011, 10:41 AM	#1
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Multicam editing - what a piece of junk I am trying to use it for the first time and I can't CC. I CC each video track but it doesn't work (see attached). What needs to be done to use CC files in simple multicam editing. IT IS NOT A ROCKET SCIENCE, SONY!!!. Is it possible at all? (but please don't tell me that I must render each file with CC before I use it in my project, it would be just plain stupid). Attached Thumbnails

October 5th, 2011, 11:39 AM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk You have to color correct the MEDIA on the Project Media tab. Then it will carry across to the Master track. You can't color correct at the track or event level and use the built-in multi-cam feature. If you want to use a third party multi-cam (i.e. Excalibur or Ultimate S), then you can color correct at the event level and it will be carried over to the master track. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 5th, 2011, 11:47 AM	#3
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk I thought I did it (I color corrected the main media tabs of each track - see attached image) Isn't it that Media Tab you are referring to?

October 5th, 2011, 12:42 PM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk No. You added to the TRACK. Look at the tabbed area above where you have Explorer, Transitions, Video FX, and you'll also see one called Project Media. Go to that tab and then do your color corrections there. At this point I would copy the color corrections from your tracks to the correct media in the Project Media tab. Then you can delete them off the tracks. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 5th, 2011, 01:24 PM	#5
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk Thank you Edward. Would it be easier if we could do that simply in track field. It was known limitations in version nr8, was not addressed in V9 and now we have V10 and 11 coming any day. Again, It is not a rocket science for programmers. On the other hand it is so irritating when in Plug-In Chooser - in Video Event FX window it is impossible to double click on particular filter (for example Sony Color Corrector) to be added to media instead it must be clicked once (highlighted) and then you have to move the mouse to the right and click OK. So annoying.

October 5th, 2011, 03:08 PM	#6
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk FWIW, The last few multi's Ive done Ive used this workflow, may be of use to some people. Have each cam in a separate project, get it set up, arrange any gaps etc. Save as a veg. Drag the vegs into your multicam project, sync, make your multicam track. Do all your cutting. Sounds simple, benefit is, You can do your initial CC in each cams separate project so when you are cutting in the Multicam project you are looking at the CC'd version without the slow down in preview because Vegas has already made a SFAP0 image of the file. If you want to tweak the CC on the cams, you can just have all your cams open in separate comps, eg. Go back to cam1 project, drop a little more red out with curves, return to the multicam comp, wait about 10 secs for the new SFAP0 file to be built, and you are previewing again like there are no FX on the cam. There is no reason why you cant apply CC to your Multicam project at an event level if you had a very dark or very light shot, or you want special FX on certain shots. This is more for the "Look" of the whole project, example below. Attached Thumbnails __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo

October 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk Another solution is to use Ultimate S or Vasst Multicam for Vegas, then all of these issues are moot. I'm sure this is also the case with Excalibur. You apply any FX at anytime during the project, color correcting as you go along in Multicam mode, or whatever. Multicamera editing using these programs does not effect anything else about the tracks. I never understood this aspect of Vegas multicam. I understand that the multicam feature comes with Vegas and is free, but I've never been tempted to use it, it's too unfriendly for me, just like the titling feature. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

October 5th, 2011, 11:39 PM	#8
Marius Boruch Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 421	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk Jeff, I agree with you! The titling tool of Vegas is just horrible. It is so complicated and it looks like it was deisgned using different than Vegas logic. I am familiar with After Effects but this software is a piece of work. Would you believe they don't even have lower-thirds quick templates. For those who would like to design quickly lower-third good luck...

October 6th, 2011, 12:42 AM	#9
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk oh boy, let's not go there!!!!! talk about an abomination..... __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

October 6th, 2011, 01:00 AM	#10
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk Ultimate S and (I think) Excalibur have lower thirds as well as multicamera, and photomontage tools, audio tools, the list is actually too long to list. Trials are completely functional. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

October 7th, 2011, 05:20 PM	#12
Leslie Wand Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: upper hunter, australia Posts: 1,410	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk hey steven, REM did it without an nle ;-) __________________ www.lesliewand.com.au

October 7th, 2011, 06:29 PM	#13
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Re: Multicam editing - what a piece of junk Lol, took me a second __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?