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Richard Bender · January 10th, 2007, 11:04 AM

Any ideas what to do. In Vegas I have the wedding vows but here is the problem. On a scale of 1 to 10 the pastor was an 8 the bride a 3 and the groom a 2. If I raise the volume for the bride and groom the pastor blows out.

Bill Ravens · January 10th, 2007, 11:27 AM

sounds like a job for limiter/compressor. if you have soundforge, the "normalize" function can help you. don't try this with the vegas version of "normalize" tho'.

Edward Troxel · January 10th, 2007, 11:37 AM

Beyond that, you can also use the volume slider on the track in combination with a Volume Envelope and manually make adjustments. Using the Volume Envelope, you can boost the bride while reducing the pastor. It will take a lot of envelope points but is really easy to do.

Steven Davis · January 10th, 2007, 11:55 AM

I AMEN what Edward said. The volume envelope is your friend when it comes to this situation. It will take a lot points as mentioned but if you use that audio and combine it with ambient audio, if you have any, you can really make things sound good.

I have wedding I'm working on, the groom was so softspoken, no one and I mean noone heard him except the bride and pastor, and me. So when I got to the edit, I knew ahead of time I'd have to bump his audio.

Like was mentioned, the volume envelope is your friend. Use your friend.

John Rofrano · January 11th, 2007, 10:01 AM

I agree that a volume envelope gives you the most control but it is tedious and time consuming. If you don't have the time, throw Wave Hammer on the audio track, select the Voice preset, then on the Volume Maximizer tab, lower the Threshold until it sufficiently raises the lowest voice. If you get distortion on the loud voices, go back to the Compressor tab and lower the Output gain that is feeding the input stage of the Volume Maximizer until it doesn't clip.

~jr

Jason Robinson · January 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM

editing with out the envelope would be impossible. at least to achieve a quality product. Hit "V" after clicking on an audio track and you should get the audio envelope. Then click and adjust for each and every back & forth for the voewsw, etc etc.

yes it is a pain i nthe butt, but it was created for exactly this kind of situation.

jason

Steven Davis · January 11th, 2007, 11:33 AM

I agree Jason, especially with vows. Since vows are pretty short, it's not that big of a task to add points. The envelope is especially helpful for 'dumping' the rest o the audio on the track, if you don't need it, just add a point and pull down.

Jason Robinson · January 12th, 2007, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Davis

I agree Jason, especially with vows. Since vows are pretty short, it's not that big of a task to add points. The envelope is especially helpful for 'dumping' the rest o the audio on the track, if you don't need it, just add a point and pull down.

I also use Audacity (free and open source) to do most of my audio work because i just don't "get" sound forge. Audicity seems to have better control for exactly this sort of audio boosting / falloff. Why? Because you can see the wave for mas it gets compressed. That allows me to check to make sure my sections (bride, back to pastor, back to bride) all are even.

Vegas doesn't let you see the modified wave form which is a pain in the butt.

jason

January 10th, 2007, 11:04 AM	#1
Richard Bender Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 40	Help with audio problem. Any ideas what to do. In Vegas I have the wedding vows but here is the problem. On a scale of 1 to 10 the pastor was an 8 the bride a 3 and the groom a 2. If I raise the volume for the bride and groom the pastor blows out.

January 10th, 2007, 11:37 AM	#3
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Beyond that, you can also use the volume slider on the track in combination with a Volume Envelope and manually make adjustments. Using the Volume Envelope, you can boost the bride while reducing the pastor. It will take a lot of envelope points but is really easy to do. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 10th, 2007, 11:55 AM	#4
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	I AMEN what Edward said. The volume envelope is your friend when it comes to this situation. It will take a lot points as mentioned but if you use that audio and combine it with ambient audio, if you have any, you can really make things sound good. I have wedding I'm working on, the groom was so softspoken, no one and I mean noone heard him except the bride and pastor, and me. So when I got to the edit, I knew ahead of time I'd have to bump his audio. Like was mentioned, the volume envelope is your friend. Use your friend. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

January 11th, 2007, 10:01 AM	#5
John Rofrano Sponsor: VASST Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Posts: 516	I agree that a volume envelope gives you the most control but it is tedious and time consuming. If you don't have the time, throw Wave Hammer on the audio track, select the Voice preset, then on the Volume Maximizer tab, lower the Threshold until it sufficiently raises the lowest voice. If you get distortion on the loud voices, go back to the Compressor tab and lower the Output gain that is feeding the input stage of the Volume Maximizer until it doesn't clip. ~jr __________________ Developer: VASST Ultimate S, Scattershot 3D, Mayhem, FASST Apps, and other VASST Software plug-ins Web Site: www.johnrofrano.com

January 11th, 2007, 10:25 AM	#6
Jason Robinson Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,997	can't imagine editing with out the envelope would be impossible. at least to achieve a quality product. Hit "V" after clicking on an audio track and you should get the audio envelope. Then click and adjust for each and every back & forth for the voewsw, etc etc. yes it is a pain i nthe butt, but it was created for exactly this kind of situation. jason

January 10th, 2007, 11:27 AM	#2
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	sounds like a job for limiter/compressor. if you have soundforge, the "normalize" function can help you. don't try this with the vegas version of "normalize" tho'.

January 11th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#7
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	I agree Jason, especially with vows. Since vows are pretty short, it's not that big of a task to add points. The envelope is especially helpful for 'dumping' the rest o the audio on the track, if you don't need it, just add a point and pull down. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?