XL-H1 and P+S test

Levan Bakhia · January 20th, 2006, 12:20 AM

I know the other link didn't work. So, here are my shots of H1+mini35 in work. I have only 3 clips at the moment, and some new ones are being added.

http://homepage.mac.com/sarke/FileSharing3.html

It is only indoor, some outdoor shots will be added shortly.

Shawn Alyasiri · January 20th, 2006, 11:22 AM

Thanks for the uploads.

I'm having trouble playing the .Mov's on a PC. I have Quicktime installed, but apparently I don't have the correct codec.

Can you please tell me what I need to play these back on a PC?

Canopus Procoder suggests that the codec is HDV 1080i50. Perhaps I don't have a quicktime PAL codec? Frame rate is 25, vid frame 1920x1080.

Any advice is most appreciated.

Thanks,
Shawn

Levan Bakhia · January 21st, 2006, 01:18 AM

Honestly I don't know. If you tell me what codec you can playback, I could do the conversion for you.

Let me know.

Oh, and yest it is HDV 1080i50. This is how I capture in FCP.

January 21st, 2006, 02:13 AM

Thank you Levan, I appreciate so much your contribution but is it possible to convert them to wmv or m2t (better yet) to PC users?

Levan Bakhia · January 21st, 2006, 02:32 AM

that would be mpeg4 right?

January 21st, 2006, 02:54 AM

I don't know! It's like these Kaku's files:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52110

It plays very well!

Or like Run Dan Run from Nick Hiltgen (page 3), it plays OK at PC side.

BTW, the noticeable luma noise from the other Nick's clip that you can see here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....7&postcount=56

-- does it appear at your footage?

And what about the combination between softness (I like it!) from the Run Dan Run's clip and the XL-H1's sharpness? Is it promising to 35mm film-out work? I hope so!

If you purchased XL-H1, do you prefer it rather the other russian camera that you thought to buy (I'm not sure if you bought it or not) ?

Levan Bakhia · January 21st, 2006, 06:02 AM

ok, I just uploaded the new file, please download it and if it plays well, I will convert all of them the same way.

January 21st, 2006, 07:58 AM

Thank you! By now I'm on dial-up but I already begin to download it: 2 hours!... But if it works I can go to my office where I have broadband for to download the others after your upload of the remaining PC compatible files.

Michael Pappas · January 21st, 2006, 01:00 PM

thanks Levan!

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January 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM

OK! It runs at vlc (at quicktime, it plays slower and softer) but not so smoothly as the Kaku's files, for instance, here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52110

Or like Run Dan Run from Nick Hiltgen (page 3), it plays perfectly at PC side.

Are you sure that it's not possible to get a m2t conversion?

Well, m2t or not I'll be waiting for the remaining files at PC side. Thank you!

Regarding this file, I see compression artifacts at left of the screen, is it from the mpeg4 conversion right? And it seems a little bit soft, is it from the Mini35 device?

I appreciate to have these answers because as you I'd like work with this specific solution and I'm worried if it goes well or not...

Vince Gaffney · January 22nd, 2006, 04:06 PM

Nick,
What was the widest lens you used and what matte box set-up are you employing? Thanks,

vince

Nick Hiltgen · January 22nd, 2006, 11:44 PM

The widest lens we used was a 18mm The mattebox was a chrosziel compact wideangle housing. Hopefully I'll be able to get some production clips soon.

Steve Mullen · January 23rd, 2006, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bluestone

Maybe your use of higher (than 1/48) shutter speeds is freezing the oscillating ground glass. I'm not sure that the glass can move fast enough for faster shutter speeds.

Good question.

I'm wondering why you are are shooting faster than 1/48th or 1/60th for any reason. What's the point of 1/3000th!

Does someone want a VERY strobing look?

Levan Bakhia · January 23rd, 2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leuname Ereh

OK! It runs at vlc (at quicktime, it plays slower and softer) but not so smoothly as the Kaku's files, for instance, here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52110

Or like Run Dan Run from Nick Hiltgen (page 3), it plays perfectly at PC side.

Are you sure that it's not possible to get a m2t conversion?

Well, m2t or not I'll be waiting for the remaining files at PC side. Thank you!

Regarding this file, I see compression artifacts at left of the screen, is it from the mpeg4 conversion right? And it seems a little bit soft, is it from the Mini35 device?

I appreciate to have these answers because as you I'd like work with this specific solution and I'm worried if it goes well or not...

About m2t conversion, if you tell me how to do the conversion I am not lazy to do it, I would be glad to contibute here. Also, if you can tell me how to capture m2t than I can post new clips, we were shooting some TV commercial in snow these weekend, with H1+mini35. So, I can either capture it the same way I did, or the way you tell me.

Regarding the compression artifacts at left of the screen, well, it is more visible after conversion, but I think it was there in the original one also, but absolutelly unnoticable, actually, I didn't notice it untill you pointed.

Softness, yes, because of mini35 it is soft (if you mean focus) but that thing I don't mind. film is always softer than video, and I don't like sharp images at all. What do you think?

As to summarize, I don't think that H1+mini35 is not a working combination, I think, after good experience, it is a very nice tool for someone who wants to have a film like picture. I understand that it is not perfect, and maybe if it was blown out to a 35mm film, than on a big screen it would look the best, but I am doing this test also and I will report. Actually, the commercial that we were filming this weekend will be transfered to film for cinema adverts, so I will let you know, within next 2 weeks, how it looks on a big screen.

So before I upload new clips, I will be expecting your comments on how you want me to capture it and do it in a way that everyone could see.

Also, let me know, how you liked the shot, and was it grainy from your point of view, is there anything you think I should consider?

Vince Gaffney · January 23rd, 2006, 11:07 AM

nick,

thx. i got my camera today and don't want to get a mattebox that will interfere if i use an adapter and wide lens.

vince

January 20th, 2006, 12:20 AM	#91
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	mini 35 tests I know the other link didn't work. So, here are my shots of H1+mini35 in work. I have only 3 clips at the moment, and some new ones are being added. http://homepage.mac.com/sarke/FileSharing3.html It is only indoor, some outdoor shots will be added shortly. __________________ ____________ www.sarke.ge ---------------- ____________

January 21st, 2006, 01:18 AM	#93
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	Honestly I don't know. If you tell me what codec you can playback, I could do the conversion for you. Let me know. Oh, and yest it is HDV 1080i50. This is how I capture in FCP. __________________ ____________ www.sarke.ge ---------------- ____________

January 21st, 2006, 02:32 AM	#95
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	that would be mpeg4 right? __________________ ____________ www.sarke.ge ---------------- ____________

January 21st, 2006, 06:02 AM	#97
Levan Bakhia Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 230	ok, I just uploaded the new file, please download it and if it plays well, I will convert all of them the same way. __________________ ____________ www.sarke.ge ---------------- ____________

January 21st, 2006, 08:31 PM	#100
Guest Posts: n/a	OK! It runs at vlc (at quicktime, it plays slower and softer) but not so smoothly as the Kaku's files, for instance, here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52110 Or like Run Dan Run from Nick Hiltgen (page 3), it plays perfectly at PC side. Are you sure that it's not possible to get a m2t conversion? Well, m2t or not I'll be waiting for the remaining files at PC side. Thank you! Regarding this file, I see compression artifacts at left of the screen, is it from the mpeg4 conversion right? And it seems a little bit soft, is it from the Mini35 device? I appreciate to have these answers because as you I'd like work with this specific solution and I'm worried if it goes well or not... Last edited by Guest; January 21st, 2006 at 11:44 PM.

January 20th, 2006, 11:22 AM	#92
Shawn Alyasiri Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 256	Thanks for the uploads. I'm having trouble playing the .Mov's on a PC. I have Quicktime installed, but apparently I don't have the correct codec. Can you please tell me what I need to play these back on a PC? Canopus Procoder suggests that the codec is HDV 1080i50. Perhaps I don't have a quicktime PAL codec? Frame rate is 25, vid frame 1920x1080. Any advice is most appreciated. Thanks, Shawn

January 21st, 2006, 02:13 AM	#94
Guest Posts: n/a	Thank you Levan, I appreciate so much your contribution but is it possible to convert them to wmv or m2t (better yet) to PC users?

January 21st, 2006, 02:54 AM	#96
Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know! It's like these Kaku's files: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52110 It plays very well! Or like Run Dan Run from Nick Hiltgen (page 3), it plays OK at PC side. BTW, the noticeable luma noise from the other Nick's clip that you can see here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....7&postcount=56 -- does it appear at your footage? And what about the combination between softness (I like it!) from the Run Dan Run's clip and the XL-H1's sharpness? Is it promising to 35mm film-out work? I hope so! If you purchased XL-H1, do you prefer it rather the other russian camera that you thought to buy (I'm not sure if you bought it or not) ?

January 21st, 2006, 07:58 AM	#98
Guest Posts: n/a	Thank you! By now I'm on dial-up but I already begin to download it: 2 hours!... But if it works I can go to my office where I have broadband for to download the others after your upload of the remaining PC compatible files.

January 21st, 2006, 01:00 PM	#99
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	thanks Levan! Michael Pappas Arrfilms@hotmail.com PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER AT { PAPPASARTS2 } XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms http://www.PappasArts.com http://www.Myspace.com/

January 22nd, 2006, 04:06 PM	#101
Vince Gaffney Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 146	Nick, What was the widest lens you used and what matte box set-up are you employing? Thanks, vince

January 22nd, 2006, 11:44 PM	#102
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	The widest lens we used was a 18mm The mattebox was a chrosziel compact wideangle housing. Hopefully I'll be able to get some production clips soon. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

January 23rd, 2006, 11:07 AM	#105
Vince Gaffney Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 146	nick, thx. i got my camera today and don't want to get a mattebox that will interfere if i use an adapter and wide lens. vince