Redrock, Brevis, SGPro Shootout

Chad Terpstra · December 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM

Too bad you didn't have a LetusHD100 on hand along with the camera... Oh, well can't have everything. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

Donnie Wagner · December 15th, 2006, 09:04 PM

What frame size does each of these adapters use? i.e.. full frame being 36X24mm, I remember some adapters have a smaller usable imaging area. Giving you a smaller FOV which is makes getting real wide angle more expensive; Kinda like digital SLR's their smaller sensors.

If these three all use a 36X24mm imaging area, then there is no issue. Just checking.

Sam Jankis · December 15th, 2006, 09:58 PM

I believe the Brevis has the largest frame size... and I don't know how the SGPro compares to the M2.

Wayne Kinney · December 16th, 2006, 04:37 AM

The SGpro uses 36x24 for still SLR lenses.

Phil Bloom · December 16th, 2006, 02:41 PM

been looking through the footage, thank god we did a verbal marker on them. very similar!!

just got the new Brevis nikon mount from Dennis. It's very very good. Much better. It's of similar quality to the Redrock one, which is one very solid piece of work.

Mike Schrengohst · December 16th, 2006, 03:03 PM

"I used an HVX 200 in 720p mode. It wasn't exactly scientific, more a real world comparison..."

Thats what shooters need to see.

Dennis Wood · December 17th, 2006, 11:04 PM

Technically, assuming a fast high quality lens, we can squeeze a wider frame in a 16:9 format than the actual SLR film shot (36mm). It makes sense if you consider the image cone, and overlay a 4:3 frame and then a 16:9 frame. We've pretty much focused (no pun intended) on 16:9 and HD from the get-go.

There is a risk of edge softness pushing the image cone like this, however, overscan and basic composition basically leave these as bokeh areas...so you can get away with it.

Phil, I think everyone will be much happier with the new Nikon mounts. The manufacturer does solid work and will be helping out with some other projects in the wings :-)

Phil Bloom · December 18th, 2006, 07:35 AM

I will have this up by the weekend if all goes well

Wayne Kinney · December 18th, 2006, 07:55 AM

Phil,
Looking forward to the write up.

Dominic Jones · December 18th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Hi Wayne,

Sorry, this is totally off-topic, but:

I've been singing the praises of 35mm adapters (not to mention demonstrating our rig) around these Brighton parts for a while now, and get a fair few cameramen asking where they can get hold of systems - I've been putting them all onto Redrock, as that's where I got mine, but since shooting a lot with the SGPro recently (with Ben Cole, who I think got his directly from you) I can quite happily say it's an excellent adapter - Ben's very happy with it, btw!

So, if you fancy getting me some contact details I'll pass them onto to any interested parties, as with the shipping and import duty on top the Redrock gets quite steep - plus, it's always nice to shop locally!...

Cheers mate,
Maybe catch you around town someday!

Dom.

Wayne Kinney · December 18th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Dominic,

I think this is the first post I have seen from another Brightarian ;)

Im glad you like the SGpro unit.

Dominic Jones · December 18th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Lol, yup not many of us here!

I have to say, when Ben told me he was buying his adapter from "some bloke called Wayne in Brighton", I was a little skeptical!! Then I was drifting around here and suddenly put 2+2 together - I never expected to find that one of the main contributors here was just around the corner!

Have a great xmas mate...

Ryan Lindsey · December 18th, 2006, 07:43 PM

Wayne and Dennis,

Kudos to you both for being so active in the forums. I can't tell you how cool it is to be able to comunicate directly with the men behind the machines. I look forward to owning one soon.

Phil,

I appreciate the work you're doing with these adapters. I know many of us are looking forward to your findings.

Thanks.

Mike Connolly · December 19th, 2006, 06:44 PM

Wayne, I never read your signature details.

Put me down as a third Brighton-arian, as I've just moved down from Streatham Hill with my family and 2 HVX's, and have my beady eye on either a Brevis or SGPro in the new year. I'd love to see an SGPro in the flesh?

Have a happy Chrimbo.

mike.c

Jamon Lewis · December 19th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Any plans for the SGpro or Brevis for the HD100? I'll be in London for xmas and New Years...

December 15th, 2006, 09:04 PM	#17
Donnie Wagner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 135	Frame Size? What frame size does each of these adapters use? i.e.. full frame being 36X24mm, I remember some adapters have a smaller usable imaging area. Giving you a smaller FOV which is makes getting real wide angle more expensive; Kinda like digital SLR's their smaller sensors. If these three all use a 36X24mm imaging area, then there is no issue. Just checking.

December 16th, 2006, 04:37 AM	#19
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	The SGpro uses 36x24 for still SLR lenses. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 16th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#20
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	been looking through the footage, thank god we did a verbal marker on them. very similar!! just got the new Brevis nikon mount from Dennis. It's very very good. Much better. It's of similar quality to the Redrock one, which is one very solid piece of work. __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 16th, 2006, 03:03 PM	#21
Mike Schrengohst Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355	"I used an HVX 200 in 720p mode. It wasn't exactly scientific, more a real world comparison..." Thats what shooters need to see. __________________ Mike Schrengohst dvd.pro@verizon.net

December 18th, 2006, 07:35 AM	#23
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	I will have this up by the weekend if all goes well __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

December 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM	#16
Chad Terpstra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 320	Too bad you didn't have a LetusHD100 on hand along with the camera... Oh, well can't have everything. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

December 15th, 2006, 09:58 PM	#18
Sam Jankis Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Pete, FL Posts: 223	I believe the Brevis has the largest frame size... and I don't know how the SGPro compares to the M2.

December 17th, 2006, 11:04 PM	#22
Dennis Wood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 916	Technically, assuming a fast high quality lens, we can squeeze a wider frame in a 16:9 format than the actual SLR film shot (36mm). It makes sense if you consider the image cone, and overlay a 4:3 frame and then a 16:9 frame. We've pretty much focused (no pun intended) on 16:9 and HD from the get-go. There is a risk of edge softness pushing the image cone like this, however, overscan and basic composition basically leave these as bokeh areas...so you can get away with it. Phil, I think everyone will be much happier with the new Nikon mounts. The manufacturer does solid work and will be helping out with some other projects in the wings :-)

December 18th, 2006, 07:55 AM	#24
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Phil, Looking forward to the write up. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 18th, 2006, 03:14 PM	#25
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	Hi Wayne, Sorry, this is totally off-topic, but: I've been singing the praises of 35mm adapters (not to mention demonstrating our rig) around these Brighton parts for a while now, and get a fair few cameramen asking where they can get hold of systems - I've been putting them all onto Redrock, as that's where I got mine, but since shooting a lot with the SGPro recently (with Ben Cole, who I think got his directly from you) I can quite happily say it's an excellent adapter - Ben's very happy with it, btw! So, if you fancy getting me some contact details I'll pass them onto to any interested parties, as with the shipping and import duty on top the Redrock gets quite steep - plus, it's always nice to shop locally!... Cheers mate, Maybe catch you around town someday! Dom.

December 18th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#26
Wayne Kinney Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 938	Dominic, I think this is the first post I have seen from another Brightarian ;) Im glad you like the SGpro unit. __________________ Thanks, Wayne.

December 18th, 2006, 03:58 PM	#27
Dominic Jones Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 225	Lol, yup not many of us here! I have to say, when Ben told me he was buying his adapter from "some bloke called Wayne in Brighton", I was a little skeptical!! Then I was drifting around here and suddenly put 2+2 together - I never expected to find that one of the main contributors here was just around the corner! Have a great xmas mate...

December 18th, 2006, 07:43 PM	#28
Ryan Lindsey New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin, tx Posts: 18	Thanks! Wayne and Dennis, Kudos to you both for being so active in the forums. I can't tell you how cool it is to be able to comunicate directly with the men behind the machines. I look forward to owning one soon. Phil, I appreciate the work you're doing with these adapters. I know many of us are looking forward to your findings. Thanks.

December 19th, 2006, 06:44 PM	#29
Mike Connolly New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 16	Wayne, I never read your signature details. Put me down as a third Brighton-arian, as I've just moved down from Streatham Hill with my family and 2 HVX's, and have my beady eye on either a Brevis or SGPro in the new year. I'd love to see an SGPro in the flesh? Have a happy Chrimbo. mike.c

December 19th, 2006, 08:42 PM	#30
Jamon Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NY NY USA Posts: 95	Any plans for the SGpro or Brevis for the HD100? I'll be in London for xmas and New Years...