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Martin Costa March 8th, 2005 08:35 AM

Thanks Dean. (Bummer)

Ken Grohs March 24th, 2005 09:09 AM

Re: 4 channel question
<<<-- Originally posted by Matthew Elyash : Note the two sets of connector pins on the mic cable from the on camera mic that is for channel one and two -->>>

Umm, I think you'll find that one of the pins (larger one) on the plug-in connector on the on-camera mic is the stereo connector for L/R channels (note the ceramic separation between channels, just like a stereo mini plug) -- the other pin is for phantom power from the camera to the mic.


Don Palomaki March 27th, 2005 07:43 AM

To nit pick a bit, it is not phantom power, just 5 VDC to power the mic. Phantom power us normally assoicated with balanced (XLR) connections, not separate power leads, and typically is on the order of 48 volts. Note that both mic jacks need to be plugged in to power the mic.

Sunarto Sosrosaputro April 6th, 2005 01:56 AM

What is function MA-200 ?
I have a few question about audio
1. What is function of adapter MA-200 ? Because I think I can record from my external mic with that adapter.
I connect my external mic to audio in the behind camera.
2. Can I connect my external mic to audio 2 directly ?
3. Can I get two channel audio from xl1s ? From audio 1 and audio 2 ( different input )
4. How to transfer two channel audio from xl1s to computer ? Usually I using firewire cable and adobe premiere capture.
But I just get one channel.

Sorry, my english isn't quite good

Rob Lohman April 6th, 2005 05:53 AM

I'm not sure I am following all of your questions. Basically the
MA-200 allows you to connect XLR type microphones to your
XL1(s) directly.

As for your last question (4), you will need another capture tool
to get the full 4 channels. Look at something like www.scenalyzer.com

Sunarto Sosrosaputro April 6th, 2005 09:43 AM

I can connect microphone to audio directly to audio 1 without MA-200. So what the function MA-200 ?

Mathieu Ghekiere April 6th, 2005 06:45 PM

I think with the MA-200 you have the XLR inputs, which you don't have standard on the cam. Better mics often have XLR outputs (I'm hoping I don't use the words input and output wrong here, forgive me if I do) and you cannot get them attached to your XL1s or XL1 without it.
As Rob stated it: you can connect mics to it, but you not the XLR-type mics, and the most and best mics have XLR. So...
I think quality is better too, but not sure of that last.
Good luck.

Sunarto Sosrosaputro April 7th, 2005 12:18 PM

Is there other any answer ?

Mathieu Ghekiere April 7th, 2005 12:35 PM

I think on your question 2, I think you CAN get 2 times audio from it, but I'm not sure, and I also don't know how.
Good luck.

Don Palomaki April 9th, 2005 05:28 AM

1. The MA-200 provides an adapter that enables connection up to four mics with XLR connectors to the XL1, and provides a BNC analog video connector. It also provides about 6 dB of audio gain, an improved shoulder pad/mount, and place to hang some accessories.

2. YOu can connect excternal mics to Audio 2 inpt if you have the proper adapters and cables to make the connection. The audio 2 inputs have to be enabled abnd set to the require input sensitivity from the menu system.

3. The XL1 defaults to 2-channel (AKA 2-track or stereo) audio. that is recoorded from the stock mic input jack or the Aufio 1 inputs. Selection is made using the switch behind the door. The audio 2 inputs are active for input only if you have selected 4-track (4-channel or two stereo pair) audio mode.

4. If the audio was recorded in 4-channel mode, the XL-1 will automatically output 4-track audio over firewire. Many NLE system capture stereo (2-track/channel) audio only. Some allow capture of 4-track audio, this is usually a function of the capture card or drivers, and the default Windows drivers used by many moderate priced NLE systems do not support 4-channel. Check the documentation of your NLE carefully to see what it supports.

Note that 2- channel audio is sampled at 48 kHz sample rate and 16-bit sample size. 4-channel is sampled at 32 kHz and 12-bit sample size. Thus in theory 2-channel is better, about like comparing CD sound to FM radio sound. But many if not most people will not be able to hear the difference in the final edited tape.

4-channel recording can be a bit tricky to master, so practice to get it down before trying to use it at an important shoot.

Dean Sensui April 22nd, 2005 05:10 PM

That little 5 VDC jack from the camera to the MA 100 or MA 200 is only to power the electronics in the MA units. There's no phantom power going to the XLR connectors at all.

You'll need a seperate phantom power supply between the mic and the Canon XL1 if your mics require phantom power.

Waldemar Winkler April 22nd, 2005 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Don Palomaki
The MA-100 is limitd to two audio inputs.

However, as I understand it, you should be able to get 4 channels from the MA-200 by connecting its output to the Audio 1 and Audio 2 input jacks. You have to select Audio 1 as the input with the Input switch behind the door. as well as settng up the record mode and Audio 2 and audio 1/2 sensitivity from the menu.

You also have to set your audio for 12bit at 32 k. Then you have to set your editor to recognize 32k audio.
depending upon the NLE you are using, you might be limited to capturing only two audio channels at a time.

Before burning you will need to be assured all audio is at 16 bit, 48k, or the dvd burning application won't process the audio correctly. At least that is what I have read in several posts both here and elsewhere. I don't capture more than two channels on videotape anymore, so anyone who has more experience, please add to or correct my comments.

Chris Brooke June 18th, 2005 03:38 AM

MA200 and phantom power
Can anybody tell me if either the MA100 or the MA200 provide the phantom power necessary to connect a boom mic directly into an XL1s?

Don Palomaki June 18th, 2005 07:11 AM

No phantom power from the MA100 or MA200.

And they are designed for mic-level inputs only. A line level (e.g., over -10 dBV) will be clipped.

Karl Heiner August 28th, 2005 09:58 AM

ma200 problem
used my new ma200 for the first time. set up at home, everything works fine. at the theatre i could not pick up any sound. (wired stage mic, which worked for the sound tech.)




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