Various posts concerning GR-HD1U and JY-HD10U

Mark Paschke · September 16th, 2004, 08:33 AM

I made a 13' pan and tilt crane last week

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=31905 (with footage)

and have been shooting a project the last 2 nights and forgot all about OIS on the HD10u which I had set to ON but the manual says to turn this OFF when using tripods, has anyone found the best results when using a crane with this camcorder or holding it out the window of a car or any other thing simulating the camera moving in a pan situation where the camera itself is panning and not the tripod?

My footage looks good but I want great if thats possible and using the CU VH1 as a monitor is not the best playback device because everything looks great on it because its so dinky. Any other advice with crane shots concerning the HD10 and its various "tendencies" would be appreciated.

If no one knows then I guess I will experiment tonight and report back, if anyone is interested

Heath McKnight · September 16th, 2004, 09:26 AM

My first instinct would be to turn it off, because when the OIS is on while sitting on a tripod, the image is almost like moving water, if that makes sense. It's more apparent on a Canon XL-1 for me.

BUT, cranes can sometimes be a little shakey, esp. the cheap ones like my friend uses. Maybe do experiments with the OIS on and off, and tell us what your image looked like.

heath

Christopher C. Murphy · September 30th, 2004, 05:10 AM

Hey guys, check this out! Also, make sure you click on the images to the right of the article....they're huge, but worth the download. This film looks like it had LOTS of motion, so I'd really like to see it!

Interesting quote from the article:

".....the images recorded by the JY-HD10 camcorder were converted by Lumiere to MPEG2, and dropped into Final Cut Pro, which in turn scaled the images up to a full 1080p. This final output was compatible with the main timeline edit. The movie was edited on a Mac G5 dual 1.8GHz with two HUGE raid systems totaling 1.2 terabytes."

http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/news/release...releaseID=1158

Murph

Christopher C. Murphy · September 30th, 2004, 05:17 AM

I've never seen this PDF file before, so I'm posting it here...it's about 5 megs, and contains a full article and information about editing in various OS's. Worth a look!

http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/getResource?id=4922

Murph

Daniel Moloko · September 30th, 2004, 07:25 AM

This is Great.

Maybe Doug will put us a link fro download?

by the way, why its cropped to 2:35 ?

it was shoot with an adaptor?

ciao

Frederic Lumiere · October 1st, 2004, 07:20 AM

Murph,

This is very old: November 2003.

As you know, editing on the Mac has largely improved since then. ;)

Frederic

Christopher C. Murphy · October 12th, 2004, 05:05 PM

Victor Co. of Japan Ltd. (JVC) has joined the Blu-ray Disc Association, the company and association said in a statement issued on Monday.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/12/jvc/index.php

Lots happening lately...

Murph

Darren Kelly · November 3rd, 2004, 09:55 PM

Chris has approved this post on the FX1, so I thought I'd put it here too.

I'm thinking of building a DVD of sample footage that would contain:

HD1 vx FX1 in Side by Side tests
FX1 vs XL2 in side by side tests

FX1 in it's various frame rates shooting several subjects - skin tone, wide angle, detail, close up, poor light, outdoor, etc.

XL2 in it's various frame rates, shooting severl subjects, as above.
In short something that would be 10-12 minutes in length in SD on a DVD - BUT contain the original files for you to view in their native formats on the DVD.

We sell it for $14.95 plus $5.00 shipping for a total of $19.95. You would be welcome to a $10.00 rebate on the release of our future products on the XL2 and the FX1.

If you would be interested in this - or want to make a suggestion, please email me at dkelly@masterworks.bc.ca.

I just thought this might be a help, and if enough people are interested, we would produce it in the next 7 days and get it out fast. I don't see it as a huge money maker, but a service to our community of users and enthusists.

I await your input.

Cheers

DBK

Rob Lohman · November 4th, 2004, 04:20 AM

Leave your responses in the following thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=34434

Thank you!

Steve Crisdale · November 13th, 2004, 12:04 AM

Well..... Imagine my surprise to turn on the HD 'giggle box' and find an Aussie nature documentary (Wild Adventures) very obviously made in large part with the PAL version of the JVC camcorder. The presenter was constantly shooting with one in hand and shots of the vehicle rig showed at least another set up for tripod shooting.

I was surprised to see that a 'local' had decided the negative hype (not true 'Broadcast Quality', HDV artifacting etc etc Blah, blah.... blah), was worth ignoring.

I'm sure the run of the mill punter in the viewing audience would have been impressed with the nature footage they saw in the documentary, because they'd be blissfully ignorant of the prejudice being shown by a few self-professed gurus of the video communication medium.

Also brave of the unknown channel 9 Sydney programmer for showing something shot with a cam that video gear rental houses here classify as 'an inconsequential and incapable camcorder'.

Heath McKnight · November 17th, 2004, 08:18 AM

A news station in Tampa had a Creative Services producer putting an ad or two on the air shot on the HD10 last year and earlier this year.

I shot some stuff for a non-news local station from the HD10 and downconverted to DV.

heath

Xander Christ · January 19th, 2005, 01:06 AM

Anybody ever try to use an HD waveform monitor for their HD10U? Which one do you recommend? From what I understand, the component out on the camera is analog and shows the footage at 480/30p, so does this mean I can get away with using an SD waveform monitor with component input?

Ken Hodson · January 19th, 2005, 11:50 PM

The component out is 480p60 uncompressed or 720p30 with compression.

Daniel Moloko · January 23rd, 2005, 12:52 AM

Hello there,

Everyone who wants to check out a short-movie i did with mine JVC-HD10U, go to WWW.TRIGGERSTREET.COM and look for ADULT CONTEMPORARY. the short was chosen for the site festival selection.

thanks a lot for everything, you people do help me a lot, this short was made with this site support.

ciao

Jaime Corretjer · January 27th, 2005, 10:17 AM

Have any of you shot surfing with this camera? Im concern about the 30p and the wave's movement, along with the panning while zoomed. Please advice me. I can edit HD and also view HD. My vids, however, will most likely end up in DVD. Im an amateur in Hawaii. I've thought about the VX2100, specially after viewing "Cheap Thrills", whjch was shot with the VX. Looked incredible, although not HD. However, HD is very tempting. I've viewed some clips on a Japanese site from the JVC, looked amazing, film-like (30p?), but the shooter barely panned and there wasn't much action.

September 16th, 2004, 08:33 AM	#346
Mark Paschke Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Willamette Valley OR Posts: 90	Use Optical Image stabilizer on crane shots? I made a 13' pan and tilt crane last week http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=31905 (with footage) and have been shooting a project the last 2 nights and forgot all about OIS on the HD10u which I had set to ON but the manual says to turn this OFF when using tripods, has anyone found the best results when using a crane with this camcorder or holding it out the window of a car or any other thing simulating the camera moving in a pan situation where the camera itself is panning and not the tripod? My footage looks good but I want great if thats possible and using the CU VH1 as a monitor is not the best playback device because everything looks great on it because its so dinky. Any other advice with crane shots concerning the HD10 and its various "tendencies" would be appreciated. If no one knows then I guess I will experiment tonight and report back, if anyone is interested

September 16th, 2004, 09:26 AM	#347
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	My first instinct would be to turn it off, because when the OIS is on while sitting on a tripod, the image is almost like moving water, if that makes sense. It's more apparent on a Canon XL-1 for me. BUT, cranes can sometimes be a little shakey, esp. the cheap ones like my friend uses. Maybe do experiments with the OIS on and off, and tell us what your image looked like. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 30th, 2004, 05:10 AM	#348
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	'Nothing Comes Close' movie shot with HD10U Hey guys, check this out! Also, make sure you click on the images to the right of the article....they're huge, but worth the download. This film looks like it had LOTS of motion, so I'd really like to see it! Interesting quote from the article: ".....the images recorded by the JY-HD10 camcorder were converted by Lumiere to MPEG2, and dropped into Final Cut Pro, which in turn scaled the images up to a full 1080p. This final output was compatible with the main timeline edit. The movie was edited on a Mac G5 dual 1.8GHz with two HUGE raid systems totaling 1.2 terabytes." http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/news/release...releaseID=1158 Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

September 30th, 2004, 05:17 AM	#349
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	New PDF file about the HD10U I've never seen this PDF file before, so I'm posting it here...it's about 5 megs, and contains a full article and information about editing in various OS's. Worth a look! http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/getResource?id=4922 Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

October 12th, 2004, 05:05 PM	#352
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	JVC joins Blu-Ray Victor Co. of Japan Ltd. (JVC) has joined the Blu-ray Disc Association, the company and association said in a statement issued on Monday. http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/12/jvc/index.php Lots happening lately... Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

September 30th, 2004, 07:25 AM	#350
Daniel Moloko Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brazil Posts: 124	This is Great. Maybe Doug will put us a link fro download? by the way, why its cropped to 2:35 ? it was shoot with an adaptor? ciao

October 1st, 2004, 07:20 AM	#351
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Murph, This is very old: November 2003. As you know, editing on the Mac has largely improved since then. ;) Frederic

November 3rd, 2004, 09:55 PM	#353
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	Who would be interested in this....DVD Chris has approved this post on the FX1, so I thought I'd put it here too. I'm thinking of building a DVD of sample footage that would contain: HD1 vx FX1 in Side by Side tests FX1 vs XL2 in side by side tests FX1 in it's various frame rates shooting several subjects - skin tone, wide angle, detail, close up, poor light, outdoor, etc. XL2 in it's various frame rates, shooting severl subjects, as above. In short something that would be 10-12 minutes in length in SD on a DVD - BUT contain the original files for you to view in their native formats on the DVD. We sell it for $14.95 plus $5.00 shipping for a total of $19.95. You would be welcome to a $10.00 rebate on the release of our future products on the XL2 and the FX1. If you would be interested in this - or want to make a suggestion, please email me at dkelly@masterworks.bc.ca. I just thought this might be a help, and if enough people are interested, we would produce it in the next 7 days and get it out fast. I don't see it as a huge money maker, but a service to our community of users and enthusists. I await your input. Cheers DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

November 4th, 2004, 04:20 AM	#354
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Leave your responses in the following thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=34434 Thank you! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 13th, 2004, 12:04 AM	#355
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	Just watched a FTA digital documentary made with JVC PD1s Well..... Imagine my surprise to turn on the HD 'giggle box' and find an Aussie nature documentary (Wild Adventures) very obviously made in large part with the PAL version of the JVC camcorder. The presenter was constantly shooting with one in hand and shots of the vehicle rig showed at least another set up for tripod shooting. I was surprised to see that a 'local' had decided the negative hype (not true 'Broadcast Quality', HDV artifacting etc etc Blah, blah.... blah), was worth ignoring. I'm sure the run of the mill punter in the viewing audience would have been impressed with the nature footage they saw in the documentary, because they'd be blissfully ignorant of the prejudice being shown by a few self-professed gurus of the video communication medium. Also brave of the unknown channel 9 Sydney programmer for showing something shot with a cam that video gear rental houses here classify as 'an inconsequential and incapable camcorder'.

November 17th, 2004, 08:18 AM	#356
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	A news station in Tampa had a Creative Services producer putting an ad or two on the air shot on the HD10 last year and earlier this year. I shot some stuff for a non-news local station from the HD10 and downconverted to DV. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 19th, 2005, 01:06 AM	#357
Xander Christ Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 115	HD waveform monitor for HD10U? Anybody ever try to use an HD waveform monitor for their HD10U? Which one do you recommend? From what I understand, the component out on the camera is analog and shows the footage at 480/30p, so does this mean I can get away with using an SD waveform monitor with component input?

January 19th, 2005, 11:50 PM	#358
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	The component out is 480p60 uncompressed or 720p30 with compression. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

January 23rd, 2005, 12:52 AM	#359
Daniel Moloko Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Brazil Posts: 124	HD10U Short Movie - triggerstreet Hello there, Everyone who wants to check out a short-movie i did with mine JVC-HD10U, go to WWW.TRIGGERSTREET.COM and look for ADULT CONTEMPORARY. the short was chosen for the site festival selection. thanks a lot for everything, you people do help me a lot, this short was made with this site support. ciao

January 27th, 2005, 10:17 AM	#360
Jaime Corretjer New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Honolulu, Hi Posts: 17	JVC HD1 for shooting surfing? Have any of you shot surfing with this camera? Im concern about the 30p and the wave's movement, along with the panning while zoomed. Please advice me. I can edit HD and also view HD. My vids, however, will most likely end up in DVD. Im an amateur in Hawaii. I've thought about the VX2100, specially after viewing "Cheap Thrills", whjch was shot with the VX. Looked incredible, although not HD. However, HD is very tempting. I've viewed some clips on a Japanese site from the JVC, looked amazing, film-like (30p?), but the shooter barely panned and there wasn't much action.