Show Your Work 2004

Stephen Jackson · November 28th, 2004, 01:34 PM

I'm working on a highlight reel for a client and they want to convey certain facts about their program.

I suggested that the piece should be narrated but they would rather see text on screen.

I created the piece with the text on screen. Please review the piece and let me know if the text works or would it be better narrated.

Also what do you think of the piece in general? I wasn't responsible for the footage I just got two hours of footage and had to make a presentation out of it

http://www.roaddoggz.com/sgl/dj.html

Thanks a lot for your time

George Ellis · November 28th, 2004, 08:56 PM

IMO, it is too hard to read. One thing is the timing. I think it is 20 frames per word as a guideline, but I could be wrong. There is too much happening in the background and with the audio track to keep my attention, but I have been working through DVD production problems all day, so a little zoned.

If the DJ doing the track was doing the lines, that would be really catchy. At least, I think it would. :)

George Ellis · November 28th, 2004, 08:57 PM

I did a promo for our DVD that we did for Spirit Drum and Bugle Corps. It is on my site at www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm

Not too special, just hacked up the DVD and put it to music from Sonic Fire (can you say sync licensing is a pita?). Footage from around the US, with a bit in the Denver area that is recognizable.

Rob Lohman · November 29th, 2004, 04:48 AM

I thought it looked nice! Good looking footage etc. Only the shots
with the guys saying the "damn" lines etc. was much darker than
all of the other bright spots, that stood out a bit.

George Ellis · November 29th, 2004, 05:01 AM

The dark part was one of those impromptu run and gun moments. Need to adjust for the backlight, but missed it. And then missed it again in post. Geez.

They were saying 'Two time'. ;) That was the cymbal line and they were getting their two time world championship award in about 15 minutes.

Thanks Rob.

Oh, that was a VX2100.

Marcin Tyszka · November 30th, 2004, 09:27 PM

Nice stuff. Keep working hard hard and hard... until 3 am on the morning..:))) Great work man

Marc Sacco · December 1st, 2004, 10:34 AM

i agree that it should be narrated (by the DJ would be a plus) mainly because you've got two different text boxes on screen at the same time and it gets confusing and frustrating trying to read both of them. whereas, you can hear the narrator and read the names of the DJs at the same time. i think it would come across clearer. until the DJ began to speak i had no real desire to keep struggling to keep up with the text! you must present the audience with a comfortable experience or they wont tune in to the message.

my thoughts....

Marc Sacco
www.zenimage.com

Alfredo Castil · December 1st, 2004, 10:46 AM

Please check out
http://kinetic-pixelworks.com
and download our two digital films:

mojado: 4:52 min three sizes.
by Alfredo Castil.

lesson 2: 2 min long two sizes.
by Ian Chaurero.
Feedback welcome.

Christopher Lefchik · December 2nd, 2004, 01:13 PM

I finally created a web site for myself and started putting some videos up. Check out the “No More AOL CDs” video. This was inspired by a less-than-steller experience with the company, and, of course, the ever present AOL CDs. My sister and I shot this on a whim one evening a little more than a year ago, unscripted and spontaneous. If you need a laugh, here it is.

Enjoy!

Christopher Lefchik

Jimmy McKenzie · December 2nd, 2004, 02:11 PM

Cute stuff.
Keep shooting.
Keep posting.
Jimmy.

Kevin Carpenter · December 2nd, 2004, 08:28 PM

Regarding Mojado: I feel like I've seen this film a dozen times. The surreal anything goes stylized montage combined with the soft spoken, profound narration. This fits solidly into the category of "student art film". Some people really like them and find pleasure in drawing meaningful metaphors from the recklessly thrown together clips. I just think they're dull and overdone. I can't even critique any part of it because for all I know it was all intentional. All I can say is that at every student film festival I go to half the films look like this. So that can't be good.

Regarding Lesson 2: Cool use of the mirror for both practical effect and lighting. Otherwise see above.

My advice to both of you is to learn the craft a little more before embarking on an art film. Once you have perfected telling a traditional story using somewhat traditional shots, then try getting artsy.

Stephen Jackson · December 3rd, 2004, 07:42 AM

The opening you described is what the client thought the footage would reveal. The local DJ talking about the benefits that the Seagram's Gin program provides.

But since they didn't want to pay for a full crew and a director, they hired some local person to shoot w/o a director and the talent was acting like the video was alll about him. Bottom line I have to work harder to make this look good.

I did convince them that a narrator is needed and I'm waiting on the script now.

Doing so much with so little, gotta love it.

Alfredo Castil · December 3rd, 2004, 08:42 AM

Tough trying not to get personal, I'll take the kernel of truth and learn from it.

Thanks for the time you took downloading it.

Christopher Lefchik · December 3rd, 2004, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Cute stuff.
Keep shooting.
Keep posting.

Thanks, I intend to.

Alex B Henderson · December 3rd, 2004, 02:50 PM

Cute and humorous, simple look... a nice chuckle!

Alex

November 28th, 2004, 01:34 PM	#736
Stephen Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York NY Posts: 77	Please critique this piece to help answer a question I'm working on a highlight reel for a client and they want to convey certain facts about their program. I suggested that the piece should be narrated but they would rather see text on screen. I created the piece with the text on screen. Please review the piece and let me know if the text works or would it be better narrated. Also what do you think of the piece in general? I wasn't responsible for the footage I just got two hours of footage and had to make a presentation out of it http://www.roaddoggz.com/sgl/dj.html Thanks a lot for your time __________________ Stephen Jackson RoaDDoggZ productions www.roaddoggz.com

November 28th, 2004, 08:57 PM	#738
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Just for your amusement ... or not I did a promo for our DVD that we did for Spirit Drum and Bugle Corps. It is on my site at www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm Not too special, just hacked up the DVD and put it to music from Sonic Fire (can you say sync licensing is a pita?). Footage from around the US, with a bit in the Denver area that is recognizable.

November 29th, 2004, 04:48 AM	#739
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I thought it looked nice! Good looking footage etc. Only the shots with the guys saying the "damn" lines etc. was much darker than all of the other bright spots, that stood out a bit. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 30th, 2004, 09:27 PM	#741
Marcin Tyszka Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 54	Nice stuff. Keep working hard hard and hard... until 3 am on the morning..:))) Great work man __________________ Say NO to Hollywood films , say YES to independent.

December 1st, 2004, 10:34 AM	#742
Marc Sacco Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: new fairfield, CT Posts: 65	i agree that it should be narrated (by the DJ would be a plus) mainly because you've got two different text boxes on screen at the same time and it gets confusing and frustrating trying to read both of them. whereas, you can hear the narrator and read the names of the DJs at the same time. i think it would come across clearer. until the DJ began to speak i had no real desire to keep struggling to keep up with the text! you must present the audience with a comfortable experience or they wont tune in to the message. my thoughts.... Marc Sacco www.zenimage.com __________________ www.zenimage.com The brave may not live forever, but the cautious do not live at all....

November 28th, 2004, 08:56 PM	#737
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	IMO, it is too hard to read. One thing is the timing. I think it is 20 frames per word as a guideline, but I could be wrong. There is too much happening in the background and with the audio track to keep my attention, but I have been working through DVD production problems all day, so a little zoned. If the DJ doing the track was doing the lines, that would be really catchy. At least, I think it would. :)

November 29th, 2004, 05:01 AM	#740
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	The dark part was one of those impromptu run and gun moments. Need to adjust for the backlight, but missed it. And then missed it again in post. Geez. They were saying 'Two time'. ;) That was the cymbal line and they were getting their two time world championship award in about 15 minutes. Thanks Rob. Oh, that was a VX2100.

December 1st, 2004, 10:46 AM	#743
Alfredo Castil Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 40	Two Digital Films Please check out http://kinetic-pixelworks.com and download our two digital films: mojado: 4:52 min three sizes. by Alfredo Castil. lesson 2: 2 min long two sizes. by Ian Chaurero. Feedback welcome. __________________ Ask not whether you can afford to make it, but whether can you afford not to.

December 2nd, 2004, 01:13 PM	#744
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	No More AOL CDs: The Video I finally created a web site for myself and started putting some videos up. Check out the “No More AOL CDs” video. This was inspired by a less-than-steller experience with the company, and, of course, the ever present AOL CDs. My sister and I shot this on a whim one evening a little more than a year ago, unscripted and spontaneous. If you need a laugh, here it is. Enjoy! Christopher Lefchik

December 2nd, 2004, 02:11 PM	#745
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Cute stuff. Keep shooting. Keep posting. Jimmy.

December 2nd, 2004, 08:28 PM	#746
Kevin Carpenter New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 15	Regarding Mojado: I feel like I've seen this film a dozen times. The surreal anything goes stylized montage combined with the soft spoken, profound narration. This fits solidly into the category of "student art film". Some people really like them and find pleasure in drawing meaningful metaphors from the recklessly thrown together clips. I just think they're dull and overdone. I can't even critique any part of it because for all I know it was all intentional. All I can say is that at every student film festival I go to half the films look like this. So that can't be good. Regarding Lesson 2: Cool use of the mirror for both practical effect and lighting. Otherwise see above. My advice to both of you is to learn the craft a little more before embarking on an art film. Once you have perfected telling a traditional story using somewhat traditional shots, then try getting artsy. __________________ - KC http://www.exfilms.com

December 3rd, 2004, 07:42 AM	#747
Stephen Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York NY Posts: 77	The opening you described is what the client thought the footage would reveal. The local DJ talking about the benefits that the Seagram's Gin program provides. But since they didn't want to pay for a full crew and a director, they hired some local person to shoot w/o a director and the talent was acting like the video was alll about him. Bottom line I have to work harder to make this look good. I did convince them that a narrator is needed and I'm waiting on the script now. Doing so much with so little, gotta love it. __________________ Stephen Jackson RoaDDoggZ productions www.roaddoggz.com

December 3rd, 2004, 08:42 AM	#748
Alfredo Castil Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 40	Tough trying not to get personal, I'll take the kernel of truth and learn from it. Thanks for the time you took downloading it. __________________ Ask not whether you can afford to make it, but whether can you afford not to.

December 3rd, 2004, 02:50 PM	#750
Alex B Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: montreal Posts: 35	Cute and humorous, simple look... a nice chuckle! Alex __________________ A movie is whatever you make it.