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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:13 AM   #271
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that's the test I want to see. :)
32gb Ultra II do not seem available at the moment. I did find a UK vendor claiming stock but B&H notes not yet released. I imagine we will start seeing them in the coming weeks. Interesting to note that the 32gb Ultra II is labeled a Class 4 card.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #272
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Paul, Amazon are cheaper than that.

Running tests today on a couple of Transcend 16Gb cards and a couple of 8 Gb Sandisk Extreme III cards.

Shooting in 25P S&Q mode I am getting very similar performance from both these cards. At 52 FPS both will give media errors pretty quickly, at 50 FPS I get occasional media errors on long clips and at 48 FPS both are error free. Both are quite a bit faster than my 8Gb Transcend cards which only make 38 FPS (still plenty fast enough for regular HQ mode).

Given that the 16Gb Transcend card is around the same price as the 8Gb Sandisk Extreme III yet offers such similar performance I will be using the 16Gb Transcend card.

As an aside, if Sony had crippled the interface then we probably wouldn't be seeing the differences in performance we are finding from different cards.

Just filled a whole 16Gb transcend card with 2x 50FPS S&Q clips without any errors!

Class 4 is slower than Class 6, I would NOT get the Ultra 2 cards.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #273
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32gb Ultra II do not seem available at the moment. I did find a UK vendor claiming stock but B&H notes not yet released. I imagine we will start seeing them in the coming weeks. Interesting to note that the 32gb Ultra II is labeled a Class 4 card.
Yes,
When SanDisk released the Ultra II, this was the highest Class (4) to rate them at that time.
Class 6 came out later which states 6MB/s minimum. The Ultra II tests at 15MB/s


I hear you on the 32GB Ultra II SDHC. I'm not sure how some are ordering.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:38 AM   #274
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Paul, Amazon are cheaper than that.
Yeah i know what you're saying but for the sake of a couple of quid i'd rather just wander up the road and physically pay for them and have them put in my hand, then i don't have to wait in for them to be delivered, then they get delivered when i'm out, then i have to go and collect from somewhere, blah blah blah. All to save a few quid.

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Old September 25th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #275
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Yes,
When SanDisk released the Ultra II, this was the highest Class (4) to rate them at that time.
Class 6 came out later which states 6MB/s minimum. The Ultra II tests at 15MB/s


I hear you on the 32GB Ultra II SDHC. I'm not sure how some are ordering.
I just wrote to SanDisk PR wearing my journalist hat and asked for an eval 32gb card. Most vendors jump at the chance for product review so we shall see what happens.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #276
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I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this great thread.

This is just great news!

Now, do you think you can take a look into the inks for my Epson printer? It costs me $110 for one set of inks, and the actual printer cost $90!!
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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:08 PM   #277
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When the ink is half way empty, sell the printer with half the ink as "perfect working order" on ebay for half price !

Then put $45 to the money and buy a new printer.

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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #278
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More on SDHC cards...

The PHU-60K is a very nice addition to the EX1/3. It has only one drawback and that is the limited capacity, 60 GB is not very much.

I wonder if it would be possible to remove the standard 1.8" disk and replace it with a 120 GB single platter (8 mm height) 1.8" Toshiba SATA disk with 5400 RPM.

My questions are relatively simple:

1. Is the physical height of the replacement disk (8mm) OK? Or could even a 2 platter disk with 160 or 250 GB fit?
2. Is the disk controller a SATA type?
3. Is 5400 RPM supported?
4. Is this feasible with the limitation of breaking the warranty?

What do you think?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #279
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On the Kensington 7-in-1 expresscard reader - Has anyone had problems using this with a MacBook Pro?

I hear that the MacBook does not work well with this.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:47 PM   #280
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Why bother doing all that now that 8gb/16gb cards can be bought for next to nothing ?

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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:59 PM   #281
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My concern with the PHU-60K is the fact that no hard drive is as dependable as solid state memory. I shot a Firestore for a couple of years with my HVX200. Other than the bulk of the device, I was in constant fear of HD failure. It did not fail. I sold it when I bought the EX3 and my unfortunate customer broke it almost immediately.

At $1K for a 60gb solution that won't under/overcrank, that adds bulk and weight I would say take a pass. Buy a Kensington adapter for under $40 and a bunch of $20 Transcend 8gb cards. Reserve your SxS cards for S&Q motion. Save money and bulk.

Just my .02
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Why bother doing all that now that 8gb/16gb cards can be bought for next to nothing ?

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Maybe your definition of "next to nothing" is different than mine, but a 160 GB disk is around 200, the PHU-60K is around 900, so totaling around 1100. Ten 16 GB cards amount to around 8500 for the same capacity. That price difference gives me a second EX3 for free. All excluding 19% sales tax BTW.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #283
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Maybe your definition of "next to nothing" is different than mine, but a 160 GB disk is around 200, the PHU-60K is around 900, so totaling around 1100. Ten 16 GB cards amount to around 8500 for the same capacity. That price difference gives me a second EX3 for free. All excluding 19% sales tax BTW.
Have you been reading the thread about which cards work with the EX1 and EX3 ? Obviously not. 8gb cards can be bought for around 15, whatever that is in dollars.

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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #284
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Quick question sorry if this was mentioned but I did not see it... With this Kensington reader I am assuming the EX1 door has to stay open??? Anyone have any pics of their setup? Does it stick out of the dorr very far? I am late to follow this thread but these developements sound very interesting...
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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:27 PM   #285
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Paul, Amazon are cheaper than that.

Running tests today on a couple of Transcend 16Gb cards and a couple of 8 Gb Sandisk Extreme III cards.

Shooting in 25P S&Q mode I am getting very similar performance from both these cards. At 52 FPS both will give media errors pretty quickly, at 50 FPS I get occasional media errors on long clips and at 48 FPS both are error free. Both are quite a bit faster than my 8Gb Transcend cards which only make 38 FPS (still plenty fast enough for regular HQ mode).
Looks like we have a new winner! The Transcend 16 Gb sounds like the best buy. Any other reason not to get the Transcend no that it proves to be as fast as the Sandisk?
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