Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Kylie Wilson · February 3rd, 2004, 11:58 PM

Hi all who answered, I eventually burnt to DVD and all looks ok except a small section of footage you can see squares moving as the camera pans. Thanks for all your help Vegas far out weighs Premiere for user ability if you are new to dvd production.

Stuart Kupinsky · February 4th, 2004, 06:51 AM

Variable bitrate 8,000. I'll burn it and see what it looks like on a TV. Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 4th, 2004, 08:27 AM

It's not a question of what folks agree on, I have to chuckle at the opinions I see on this. (nothing meant directed at you, Rob)
Take a SMPTE test pattern on the Vegas timeline. Turn it black and white with either desaturation or the b/w filter.
Render to DV.
View on external monitor.
Which color (original color space, now B/W) shows brightest/contains the most luminance?
Green.
With DV compression, you need as much information as possible. Green provides this without hitting colors common in daily wear/use. Moreover, due to the way that DV compresses, it's also a pixel and information thing. Vegas upsamples to 4;4;4 on keys, but you still need as much info as possible for the upsample.

A good greenscreen free of shadows (wrinkles are ok if no shadows) and good, 3 way lighting is critical. I don't agree with Jackman's method, but it works. It's just extra, unnecessary work.
There are several tutorials on this subject on the Sundance site if you care to look. Roughly 50% of our corporate work is done in front of a hard green cyc or a greenscreen.
With Vegas in particular, pulling a key is easy on most any semi-consistent color, but green nearly always provides the cleanest key of all due to informational content.
Learning to light it right is more important than the color of the screen.

Will Fastie · February 4th, 2004, 09:39 AM

The folks at RSVP seem a little ticked off.

Lars Siden · February 4th, 2004, 11:01 AM

Hi,

Tried to run this script on some PAL footage, no great result :-) Every other frame was NTSC 24P format and the other frames PAL format... added some extra ACID feeling to the video.

Best regards,

Lazze

Edward Troxel · February 4th, 2004, 11:13 AM

PAL shouldn't need this script. You're already at 25fps. This is pretty much an NTSC source only script.

Guy Bruner · February 4th, 2004, 11:49 AM

I should say so. Looks like they can no longer sell Vegas and are promoting a competitor. They were where I got my copy and were strong promoters of Vegas when it was mostly an afterthought.

Nice work Magnus!

Edward Troxel · February 4th, 2004, 11:53 AM

According to a post by Sony, Canada distribution is still in the process of being worked out.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=19425

Joe Mosquera · February 4th, 2004, 02:13 PM

Hello, I just bought a DVX100A and have decided to make the switch from Premiere to Vegas. I just order Vegas+DVD and it should be here tommorrow, but I have a few questions.

I already have the latest "demo" version of Vegas 4.0e and DVD 1.0 on my PC. I know that the "demo" version of Vegas is actually the complete program and you just need to enter the serial number when given this option. Is the "demo" download of DVD 1.0 the full version including the AC3 encoder also? Do I need to install any thing at all from the original disks or just simply enter the serial numbers for both applications and edit away?

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions but I just wanted to make sure now so that I do not run into any problems later. Any advice would be greatly apprectiated.

Joe

Edward Troxel · February 4th, 2004, 02:37 PM

Just enter the serial numbers in both programs and you'll be up and running.

Tor Salomonsen · February 4th, 2004, 02:45 PM

Expect to have to register online to get an authentication code which will make the apps run beyond a shorter initial period.
Also, expect to register Vegas and DVDA separately. Can't remember if this goes for the Dolby encoder as well.
But don't worry - it's all plain sailing.

Joe Mosquera · February 4th, 2004, 02:48 PM

Your guys rock. Thank you very much for the quick replies.

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2004, 03:38 PM

Variable bitrate uses at least two numbers, the average bitrate
and the max bitrate, sometimes min as well. I'm assuming 8000
is the max? It's a tad high for average.

Mike Gunter · February 4th, 2004, 04:55 PM

Hi,

Have a look at http://www.dtvprofessional.com/2003/...untergreen.htm

Marcia Janine Galles · February 4th, 2004, 06:32 PM

Hi all,
Browsing older posts for the DVX100 I noticed a thread discussing the handling of the camera's approx. two frame sync issue and how Final Cut Pro handles it, which is with a plug-in available on the FCP install disk. Is there the equivilent plug in available for Vegas? If not, what's the best way to sync adjust this cam within the Vegas environment?

February 4th, 2004, 06:51 AM	#242
Stuart Kupinsky Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 82	Variable bitrate 8,000. I'll burn it and see what it looks like on a TV. Thanks __________________ DVX100A/AT4071a/Vegas/After Effects Dual 2GHz Xeon PC

February 4th, 2004, 08:27 AM	#243
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	It's not a question of what folks agree on, I have to chuckle at the opinions I see on this. (nothing meant directed at you, Rob) Take a SMPTE test pattern on the Vegas timeline. Turn it black and white with either desaturation or the b/w filter. Render to DV. View on external monitor. Which color (original color space, now B/W) shows brightest/contains the most luminance? Green. With DV compression, you need as much information as possible. Green provides this without hitting colors common in daily wear/use. Moreover, due to the way that DV compresses, it's also a pixel and information thing. Vegas upsamples to 4;4;4 on keys, but you still need as much info as possible for the upsample. A good greenscreen free of shadows (wrinkles are ok if no shadows) and good, 3 way lighting is critical. I don't agree with Jackman's method, but it works. It's just extra, unnecessary work. There are several tutorials on this subject on the Sundance site if you care to look. Roughly 50% of our corporate work is done in front of a hard green cyc or a greenscreen. With Vegas in particular, pulling a key is easy on most any semi-consistent color, but green nearly always provides the cleanest key of all due to informational content. Learning to light it right is more important than the color of the screen. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 4th, 2004, 11:01 AM	#245
Lars Siden Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, Stockholm Posts: 469	Hi, Tried to run this script on some PAL footage, no great result :-) Every other frame was NTSC 24P format and the other frames PAL format... added some extra ACID feeling to the video. Best regards, Lazze __________________ Sony HDR-CX130,Canon 5DMKII,i7 930@4.0, 12gb memory, 3x SSD + 2x1Tb(stripe), Geforce 480, Dual 24", Win 7 x64

February 4th, 2004, 02:13 PM	#249
Joe Mosquera New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 11	Vegas + DVD question. Hello, I just bought a DVX100A and have decided to make the switch from Premiere to Vegas. I just order Vegas+DVD and it should be here tommorrow, but I have a few questions. I already have the latest "demo" version of Vegas 4.0e and DVD 1.0 on my PC. I know that the "demo" version of Vegas is actually the complete program and you just need to enter the serial number when given this option. Is the "demo" download of DVD 1.0 the full version including the AC3 encoder also? Do I need to install any thing at all from the original disks or just simply enter the serial numbers for both applications and edit away? Sorry if these seem like dumb questions but I just wanted to make sure now so that I do not run into any problems later. Any advice would be greatly apprectiated. Joe

February 4th, 2004, 03:38 PM	#253
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Variable bitrate uses at least two numbers, the average bitrate and the max bitrate, sometimes min as well. I'm assuming 8000 is the max? It's a tad high for average. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 3rd, 2004, 11:58 PM	#241
Kylie Wilson New Boot Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 12	Hi all who answered, I eventually burnt to DVD and all looks ok except a small section of footage you can see squares moving as the camera pans. Thanks for all your help Vegas far out weighs Premiere for user ability if you are new to dvd production.

February 4th, 2004, 09:39 AM	#244
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	The folks at RSVP seem a little ticked off.

February 4th, 2004, 11:13 AM	#246
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	PAL shouldn't need this script. You're already at 25fps. This is pretty much an NTSC source only script.

February 4th, 2004, 11:49 AM	#247
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	I should say so. Looks like they can no longer sell Vegas and are promoting a competitor. They were where I got my copy and were strong promoters of Vegas when it was mostly an afterthought. Nice work Magnus!

February 4th, 2004, 11:53 AM	#248
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	According to a post by Sony, Canada distribution is still in the process of being worked out. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=19425

February 4th, 2004, 02:37 PM	#250
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Just enter the serial numbers in both programs and you'll be up and running.

February 4th, 2004, 02:45 PM	#251
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	Expect to have to register online to get an authentication code which will make the apps run beyond a shorter initial period. Also, expect to register Vegas and DVDA separately. Can't remember if this goes for the Dolby encoder as well. But don't worry - it's all plain sailing.

February 4th, 2004, 02:48 PM	#252
Joe Mosquera New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 11	Your guys rock. Thank you very much for the quick replies.

February 4th, 2004, 04:55 PM	#254
Mike Gunter Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalispell, Montana Posts: 164	Hi, Have a look at http://www.dtvprofessional.com/2003/...untergreen.htm __________________ Mike Gunter VideoTidbits.com

February 4th, 2004, 06:32 PM	#255
Marcia Janine Galles Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 340	Equiv. of FCP Audio Sync Tool for the DVX100? Hi all, Browsing older posts for the DVX100 I noticed a thread discussing the handling of the camera's approx. two frame sync issue and how Final Cut Pro handles it, which is with a plug-in available on the FCP install disk. Is there the equivilent plug in available for Vegas? If not, what's the best way to sync adjust this cam within the Vegas environment?